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VRT Man
03-19-2009, 02:51 PM
Friends,

I received an email from a man asking if he would be safe doing the VRT Megapump system while dieting using The Gabriel Method, or Gabriel System. I believe there's a website of thegabrielmethod.com.

Chances are I would say yes. But has anyone dieted using this method, or does anyone know what this system entails?

--Greg Mangan

Andy62
03-19-2009, 10:24 PM
I am not familiar with the Gabriel System,but I went to the site and skimmed the material there. I didn't go into great detail,but they recommend exercise and the system seems to be built around visualization so it looks like it will fit right in with VRT.

JoeJustice
03-22-2009, 09:03 PM
I gotta think that guy's had some kind of plastic surgery. He was REALLY fat to begin with! Can you lose that much body fat and not have lose, saggy skin?

-Joe

VRT Man
03-23-2009, 08:59 AM
Good question, Joe. I even wondered if he was the same person. However, it sure seems to do well, considering this method is "not a diet." The guy looks like he's down to 10 or 11 % bodyfat. I'm sure a "lean-down" diet won't hurt or interfere with VRT/DVR, but, I have to be sure in order to make an honest reply to the man asking the question.

--Greg Mangan

VRT Man
03-23-2009, 10:55 AM
Tom,

You are correct on that. Everything in the body copy tends to point to Gabriel as an Aussie. But Gordon (Andy62) says it incorporates visualization.

--Greg Mangan

JoeJustice
03-23-2009, 11:07 AM
Visualization is kind of the emerging, new, hot topic of the moment in the weight lose world. I've been seeing it become more and more prominent. The concept goes as follow; if you visualize yourself thin then your subconscious mind will work to make you that way. Similarly when people think they are a big, fat pig, then they pig out on food, i.e. when someone is insulted for being fat they turn to food for emotional relief. And it becomes a cycle you believe you're fat, so you eat like a fat person. Learn to believe you're a skinny person and you'll eat like a skinny person.

I think they're a lot to this concept. But the problem I see with what I seen of it is the idea that visualization is enough. I stick with the following concept: Visualization without action is self delusion.

-Joe

JoeJustice
03-24-2009, 08:50 AM
Hey, Tom, I didn't come up with that saying. It was a famous psychologist, but I can't remember who it was at the moment. I read it somewhere and have always really liked it.

-Joe

tom
03-24-2009, 10:44 AM
Visualization without action is self delusion.

Quote or not, that's a great quote.

Fortunately, with modern computer screens and internet, we can delude more than ourselves with visualization.

Tom

Royce
03-24-2009, 11:09 AM
So has anyone out there ever actually tried this method? Do any of you know anyone who has tried this method?

Is there something special about the man’s approach? Certainly, there are endless numbers of people trying to help people lose weight. There are more “methods” than one can easily count.

And most of those methods either don’t work or are sufficiently unpalatable to prevent people from practicing them on a long term basis.

Andy62
03-24-2009, 03:24 PM
I have ordered a copy of the method to see what it consists of. When it comes I will let you know.

Royce
03-24-2009, 04:11 PM
I have ordered a copy of the method to see what it consists of. When it comes I will let you know.

Very good. I will most interested. That's better than just speculating.

Andy62
03-24-2009, 04:34 PM
I am not really looking for a diet,but have this tremendous sense of curiosity and I just want to see what the technique consists of. Their ad obviously "hooked" me -the claims seem incredible.

VRT Man
03-24-2009, 04:35 PM
Thanks, Gordon. I'm curious to know too.

-Greg Mangan

gruntbrain
03-29-2009, 05:24 PM
I'm still sellin' a DIY liposuction kit

Andy62
04-02-2009, 08:28 PM
The Gabriel Method arrived in the mail this afternoon. It consists of a book and a CD. It is well done and a quality product,but it is nothing new- just a new application of known principles.
1. The book is really a summary of self analysis principles that cause obesity such as mental, emotional ,and stress related. It is well known that many of the causes of obesity are emotional as are the causes of other compulsive behaviors.
2. The CD features Jon Gabriel's very soothing voice with relaxing background music accompanied by psychedelic images of various shapes and colors dancing on the screen.

The CD is meant to be listened too before retiring for the night. On the CD Jon Gabrieli uses progressive relaxation and guided imagery to make suggestions about visualizing the body that you want and what he terms "convincing your body not to be afraid to be thin." In many cases obesity is a defense mechanism and is used in many senarios not he least of which is to create distance from the opposite sex.

I was with two companies in the 1970s and 1980s that put us through all types of motivational programs. In some ways this reminds me of the old "Success Motivation Institute" programs of that period. This is really a 21st century, high tech version of the principles taught by Alois P. Swoboda, Napoleon Hill, W.Clement Stone, Maxwell Maltz, Claude M. Bristol and other motivational instructors except in my opinion it is not as effective as DVR/VRT and Isometrics because it does not activate the motor energies to transmit the thought impulses to the center of the mind.

VRT Man
04-02-2009, 09:25 PM
Hey Gordon, thanks for the review!

--Greg M.

MikeNY
04-27-2009, 01:05 PM
Gordon thank you for the review, excellent insight.

Sounds like old wine in a new bottle but the old wine still works. It sounded a bit like NLP and might border on Hypnosis. Visualization works and I watched a video on the author http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBz477sKKAM

He sound like an American but he does have the voice of a Hypnotist, he is correct in the video your mind does not know the difference between reality and visualization. As you said so well Gordon "This is really a 21st century, high tech version of the principles taught by Alois P. Swoboda, Napoleon Hill, W.Clement Stone, Maxwell Maltz, Claude M. Bristol and other motivational instructors " without the DVR/VRT. IMHO using visualization together with DVR/VRT would applifiy the results. but I'd think just visualization would work. One site said Mr. Gabriel lost 250 pounds and went to 187 pound body weight.