Chris Brown

[JoeJustice]

I know this is an odd topic to bring up on a fitness site, but has anyone seen the news around this joker Chris Brown beating up his girlfriend? It was a horrible, brutal beating (HE BIT HER FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!) and what is just totally blowing my mind about it is he seems to have completely gotten away with it. No celebrities have called him out, his girlfriend forgave him and the public seems to have shrugged it off. Truth be told, I bet he's made money because of this since no one even knew he existed before this news.

So can someone tell me why? Why is he so easily forgiven just because he can sing? If this was some guy in a trailer park that just happened to have made the news, there's no way he would be forgiven! N.O.W. would probably protesting outside his mobile home.

I just don't get it.

Here's an article I found interesting on the topic:
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/19/forgiving-chris-brown/

-Joe

[Andy62]

If I remember correctly Michael Jackson's record sales increased during his child molestation trial. Publicity whether good or bad is a powerful force.

[gruntbrain]

Good things often happen to bad folks esp. if they're well heeled.

[douglis]

If I remember correctly Michael Jackson's record sales increased during his child molestation trial. Publicity whether good or bad is a powerful force.

This maybe true for the showbiz.But i'm a civil engineer and if one of my buildings collapse i'm sure publicity won't be a good thing.

Joe,
we all have the disillusion that justice will always be provided by the state or by a divine power.Unfortunately this is not true.

[April]

The world is getting so perverse. And we ain't seen nothin' yet.

Fortunately, in the grand scheme of things, no one really gets away with anything.

[gruntbrain]

I dunno; I believe good things can happen to bad folks but I claim no knowledge about the grand scheme of things.
Rabbi Harold Kushner wrote a book explaining why bad things happen to good folks. I'm gonna review that oldie.

[John Peterson]

Hey Joe,

Years and years ago, in fact, several years before OJ Simpson killed his wife Nicole there were several stories complete with pictures of OJ's repeated beatings of Nicole that surfaced in both California Newspapers and the tabloids like the National Enquirer. Yet, at the time, there was no public outrage against OJ. Absolutely none. I mention this because Chris Brown has 'gotten away' with it much the same way that OJ did. So tell me, what lesson did Chris Brown learn? And how likely do you think the chances are that he will not repeat this behavior? My answer to both questions, NONE!

---John Peterson

[Andy62]

Having seen many news reports and specials over the years on men who are abusive too women it seems to be almost impossible to cure and keeps escalating in intensity and many times ends in death. They all seem to be control freaks and paranoid.

[TimK]

I don't know what talent Chis Brown may or may not have. But the totallity of the events of the evening leading up to the assault seem to have been lost in the rush to paint Chris Brown as just another abusive male. Early on I had heard that the alledged victim threw Mr. Brown's car keys out the window of the car. I further understand that they were on the road and not in someone's driveway. Both these turds are under 21 years old and there may have been alcohol or drugs use during the evening.
I don't want to excuse Mr. Brown's behavior, I think that he is an overpaid, undereducated kid who was probably using or abusing alcohol or drugs when his equally overpaid, undereducated intoxicated girlfriend had a hissy fit and threw his keys out the window and he beat the snot out of her.
Was his behavior appropriate? No. Was it the type of thing that I'd do? No. But I am no longer 19, with cash to burn; I don't drink, use drugs, and I avoid crazy women like the plague. I was married to a verbally and physically abusive woman. Kicking her ass would have satisfying.
By making Brown out to be the bad actor without taking into consideration his girlfriends actions contributes to the politically correct position that all men are aggressive, potentially abusive and always at fault. This ignors the politically incorrect statistic that shows that domestic abuse is just as high in Lesbian relationships as it is in heterosexual relationships.

Tim

[jdc]

At the end they will get what they deserve....they will meet their maker at one time or another.
Nothing go's unpunnished!

Johan

[jdc]

No matter what the situation was there is no excuse for behavior or actions like that!
It is just a sign of weakness!

johan

[April]

I don't know what talent Chis Brown may or may not have. But the totallity of the events of the evening leading up to the assault seem to have been lost in the rush to paint Chris Brown as just another abusive male. Early on I had heard that the alledged victim threw Mr. Brown's car keys out the window of the car. I further understand that they were on the road and not in someone's driveway. Both these turds are under 21 years old and there may have been alcohol or drugs use during the evening.
I don't want to excuse Mr. Brown's behavior, I think that he is an overpaid, undereducated kid who was probably using or abusing alcohol or drugs when his equally overpaid, undereducated intoxicated girlfriend had a hissy fit and threw his keys out the window and he beat the snot out of her.
Was his behavior appropriate? No. Was it the type of thing that I'd do? No. But I am no longer 19, with cash to burn; I don't drink, use drugs, and I avoid crazy women like the plague. I was married to a verbally and physically abusive woman. Kicking her ass would have satisfying.
By making Brown out to be the bad actor without taking into consideration his girlfriends actions contributes to the politically correct position that all men are aggressive, potentially abusive and always at fault. This ignors the politically incorrect statistic that shows that domestic abuse is just as high in Lesbian relationships as it is in heterosexual relationships.

Tim

I think Tim has constructed a very plausible scenario.

Who on earth are all these teeny-bopper "celebrities" anyway? Where did they all come from, how did they get in the news, and do they really have any talent???

What I really wanted to say is that when people act crazy, guess what. They probably ARE. What doesn't come out in the main-stream news very often is that many/most of the people in prison are untreated bipolar or ADHD or ODD or some other mental disorder. Abusers are usually the same. As well, I've heard of cases of alcoholism being cured when the person was diagnosed with depression and finally got on the right medication. Drug addicts also are often found to have had mental illness before their drug use started. This is how I see it: When people act like they are on illegal drugs when they aren't, they probably need to be on prescription drugs under the supervision of a good psychiatrist, and when people are on illegal drugs, they probably need to see a psychiatrist to get on the right drugs.

Mental illness left untreated ruins the lives of the people who have it plus their loved ones, and is a drain and risk to society. More and more is being discovered about all forms of mental illness, but still too often it goes undetected because it is so subtle and consequently goes untreated. ADHD is a very real illness and is not just a kid's disorder. The kids grow up and still have it, although maybe some behaviors are lessened. But many of the problems remain and need to be treated.

Did anyone see the movie Sophie's Choice? What a tragic movie. That psychotic man acted crazy because he was crazy. I think psychotic is different than a disorder like bipolar, etc. I am sorry that I don't have all the right terms for these things, and I don't want to offend anyone on the list who may suffer from any of these illnesses. I have been studying them as a hobby for some time and know a bit about them, but I don't have professional training so I may not be using the right words to describe them. I also want to say that I have total compassion on people who suffer from such disorders or illnesses.

Bipolar, ADHD, ADD, etc. are real illnesses. Sometimes, in fact often, they overlap. A good pdoc can really help someone to lead a normal life if they will take their medications. There are many famous bipolar people who live normal, productive lives because they are being treated for thier illness. Often, people with bipolar disorder or ADHD or other such illnesses are exceptionally bright. For example, the movie A Beautiful Mind is the true story of John Nash (if I recall his name), a brilliant professior who was schizophrenic. We once had a man come visit us who was as brilliant as Bach or Beethoven. He put the entire Book of John to music in the classic style. He played the whole thing for us on the piano and sang it, all from memory. I could tell he was a bit manic. When he got back to the US, his friend reported to us that he was in the hospital. I told him I had recognized it when he was here.

I am not trying to give excuses for anyone's behavior, but there is much we don't really know about why people act the way they do. Sometimes they are just "bad apples" and sometimes they are sick.

[Andy62]

Sometimes things seem absurd. Night before last I was watching the news on TV and they had a spot on about Chris Brown who was playing in an exhibition basketball game to raise money for a charity. You will never guess the cause that the charity was raising money for - "battered women".

[JoeJustice]

Hey TimK, you gotta call it like you like it is! You can't say, "Well she deserved it because she did this or she did that." There is flat out no reason for a grown man to hit a woman unless she is somehow threatening his life. PERIOD!!

-Joe

[TimK]

Joe,
Don't confuse what I said in my post with acceptance of what Mr. Brown did. I tend to agree with your position. However, women have to accept some responsibility for their actions. The alledged victim in this case does not really engender me to have any sympathy for her plight.
Mr. Brown may have hit her, but she was at cause in that assault.
I'd be enraged if it was my daughter who was assaulted. And after I clubbed the toad who assaulted her, I'd question what she may have done to prior to the assault the might have pissed him off and would encourage her not to do those things again.

Tim

[JoeJustice]

They do deserve each other, no doubt about that. The fact she took him back after being beat the way she was speaks volumes.

-Joe

[TimK]

Joe,
That's another issue. The victim gets the entire country emotionally wound up about her getting smacked around and then while you are still fuming about the assault, she turns out to be still sleeping with him.
It makes no sense.

Tim

[Andy62]

I have been single a long time and those types of relationshps are not that uncommon. Usually the "players" learned their "roles" from the childhood envionments that they were raised and conditioned in. Put them in an crowd on 300 people and the "abuser" personality type and the "provoker" personality type will seek each other out. Nothing excuses a man hitting a woman unless his life is threatened though.