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MikeNY
11-10-2008, 06:33 AM
The Bailout seems a waste of Taxpayer Cash. Now the Government wants to bailout the Auto makers http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/provider/providerarticle.aspx?feed=AP&date=20081107&id=9360965 and they expect us to foot the bill for excess executive & worker compensation and retirement packages. Same for homeowners that are underwater and bought homes without thinking the housing bubble could explode. They are already floating a plan of giving 40% forgiveness to credit card holders with excess debit and next will be auto loans and leases. The car makers already got 25 Billion dollars in a package earlier this year. If they get help it needs to have rules, cut the huge executive and worker pay and retirement packages! Let's outsource for executives and keep worker jobs in the USA and dump our useless executives with thier poor performace, poor skill, they just plain stupid. City Bank is set to get 25 Billion Dollars and will pay out that amount in bonus money to the executives that preformed so badly and failed to make a profit. Why are they getting bonus money for failing to make a profit that taxpayers are to pay?

In Kiplinger's Magazine in October 2008 Jeremy Siegel noted in the Real Credit crisis that the Bailout for Fannie Mae and Freddie mac will probably cost 5 trillion dollars just for those two Lender's alone! That alone is reason to end the CRM Community Reinvestment Act 1995 as it now stands, Banks and Lenders need to follow normal business practice and end Liar Loans for the minority poor. Lending money without any documentation, even the real name of the barrower, no ID, no Social Security #, no proof of employment or ability to pay and 110% of all cost loas is foolish and will lead to the same abuses we have that lead to the Credit Crisis and Wall Street bundling toxic loans. People flipping real estate for fast profits and churning real estate inside a gang then abandoning the property or properties and leaving the taxpayers footing the bill is wrong and also a criminal conspiracy.

Better to let the debters suffer, go bankrupt and clear the system, Japan tried to stop it's creit crisis decades ago and saving bad banks and investors and that lead to stagnation and prolonged the crisis.

gruntbrain
11-10-2008, 09:15 AM
Pass the Prozac; given all the all the bailing, it's difficult to see how the economy will turn around during the Obama years. Stagflation? Higher texes? if so, I may do more Roth IRA conversions now at the lower tax rates

JoeJustice
11-10-2008, 09:27 AM
If I were a conspiracy theorist, which I'm not, I'd say Bush set this bail-out plan up just so Obama would fail because with the juggernaut going forward unchecked I don't see how the economy could rebound!

-Joe

Andy62
11-10-2008, 10:19 AM
Destiny is an interesting force. When things get out of balance corrections have always taken place in the form of wars, plagues,droughts,recessions, mass starvation or depressions. Modern society has built it's own systems and environments which also have their own overload switches. Every once in a while forces intervene and there is a "thinning of the herd." I believe that we are going through one of those phases and being forced to deal with situations that we have not dealt with until this event. The question is are we going to deal with the base problems or just postpone them. Evolution is constanlly taking place whether it is natural selection of "social darwinism," Many of the problems that are now surfacing have been developing for decades and have been swept under the rug. If we had been around in prehistoric times would we have wanted to subsidize the dinosaur?

MikeNY
11-10-2008, 09:21 PM
gruntbrain I was thinking the same thing and conveting IRA's now there is less in them! Plus I might harvet tax losses in my taxable account to offset the taxes conversations would generate.

Joe I don't think Bush was against Obama, you look at them, Obama is more like Bush than McCain is or was and really Obama is four more years of the Bush Administration. David Axelrod is smart about PR.

McCain was not very conservitive, he wants Open Borders, Obama wants that, McCain wanted to bailout Mortgages and Obama goes beyond that. McCain was as you said just a poor Candidate. He should have stressed what he would do and attack like Obama did over and over. Obama pretended to be a republican with his "I'll lower the taxes of 95% of Americans!" and that will be a shock if he does. Obama was smart he wanted the same bailout as Bush and McCain stupidly signed onto the Obama Bush Bailout Plan. That was a trap and he fell for it. The Republican Workout and Insurance Plan would have been cheaper and that is what the Eurpeans did!