ESPRÉ - All-in-one Ultimate Antioxidant with Seeds of Life [Archive]

Greg Newton

11-15-2008, 02:56 PM

HI One Wheel,

I am hoping John will answer Jim Pete's questions, but I think I can answer yours. Lithium is a trace mineral. My wife and I, as well as my twelve year old daughter have been taking another supplement from NutriPrima called Lith-a-Life that is soley Lithium Orotate. According to Jim Saxion, and this is a simplistic explanation, Lithium aids in firing the synapses of the brain. Many people, including myself, have reported greater mental clarity and focus from this product. It is also a mild mood elevator.

Trace minerals are important to human health, but our soil in America is almost totally devoid of them. That is why cattle are fed salt blocks with sea salt that contains these trace minerals. Otherwise they would die. In fact one researcher I read, a cardiologist, seems to think that the only reason we don't have more health problems from a lack of these vital nutrients is because we consume beef and poultry that have been fed them.

MikeNY

11-15-2008, 03:06 PM

Greg sound slike we should all use sea salt too.

John Peterson

11-15-2008, 05:41 PM

Hey Jim Pete,

Thank You for your questions. They are very good and very reasonable and I'm sure that if you have them, so do my other friends.

Anti-Oxidants are nutrients that fight off 'free radicals', those unstable oxygen molecules that are constantly bombarding our bodies as a result of pollution, psychological stress, physiological stress, excessive exercise, traumatic injury, and a variety of other negative and degenerative factors that cause pre-mature aging. Unless those 'free radicals' are neutralized, our risk of suffering more than fifty diseases, including atherosclerosis, heart attacks, various cancers, and cataracts, increases considerably. This is what the great Paul Bragg was talking about as a Life Extension Specialist though the term 'free radical' had not yet been coined when he was alive. OK, so 'free radicals' and the damage they cause are the problem.

The solution in my opinion is to protect yourself/ourselves nutritionally with anti-oxidants that have a proven and tested ORAC rating that is certified by Brunswick Laboratories. ORAC is an acronym that means Oxygen Radical Absorbance Capacity. To the best of my knowledge it's the only way to know the effectiveness of of the anti-oxidents that we consume. Health researchers believe that in order to achieve and maintain optimal health that we need at least 5900 ORAC units in our diets each day. Mona Vie and other competitors of ours have an ORAC rating of less than 1,000 units per serving. When my partners and I decided to create our products we decided to produce only the very best of the very best with absolutely no compromise on quality. And to deliver the best potency at the best price.Hence an ORAC rating of 4581 per one ounce serving as certified by Brunswick Labs.

Bottomline: Anyone can say anything about their products but we have the proof. We know that ours is the best because we have had Brunswick Labs test multiple samples. Ours is certified and is much higher than our competitors because of the nutrients we have included. It's just that simple.

----John Peterson

JoeJustice

11-15-2008, 09:37 PM

OneWheel,

Here is an article on Lithium Orotate you might find helpful:

http://intelegen.com/nutrients/lithium_orotate_the_unique.htm

At the bottom it discusses Lithium Orotate:

Superiority of Lithium Orotate
The lithium salt of orotic acid (lithium orotate) improves the specific effects of lithium many-fold by increasing lithium bio-utilization. The orotates transport the lithium to the membranes of mitochondria, lysosomes and the glia cells. Lithium orotate stabilizes the lysosomal membranes and prevents the enzyme reactions that are responsible for the sodium depletion and dehydration effects of other lithium salts. Because of the superior bioavailability of lithium orotate, the therapeutic dosage is much less than prescription forms of lithium. For example, in cases of severe depression, the therapeutic dosage of lithium orotate is 150 mg/day. This is compared to 900-1800 mg of the prescription forms. In this dosage range of lithium orotate, there are no adverse lithium side reactions and no need for monitoring blood serum measurements.17

Other Uses for Lithium Orotate
Lithium orotate has also been used with success in alleviating the pain from migraine and cluster headaches, low white blood cell counts, juvenile convulsive disease, alcoholism and liver disorders.18 Nieper also reports that patients with myopia (nearsightedness) and glaucoma often benefit from the slight dehydrating effect of lithium on the eye, resulting in improvement in vision and reduction of intraocular pressure.17

-Joe

Doc Al

11-16-2008, 08:38 AM

Here's an interesting Wiki article about ORAC that gives values for typical foods: Wiki: Oxygen Radical Absorbance Capacity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_radical_absorbance_capacity)

gruntbrain

11-16-2008, 11:40 AM

Health risks aside, I miss Ma Huang(ephedra) tea.

In theory bioengineered food extracts have added value to natural foods like high ORAC berries; God has given us the smarts to either outsmart or abuse Mother Nature.

John Peterson

11-16-2008, 01:40 PM

Hey Friends,

Dr Hans Napier did extensive research on both the effectiveness and safety of Lithium Orotate. His research underscored both it's complete safety and it's incredible effectiveness. Unlike prescription Lithium which is highly toxic, Lithium Orotate is completely safe and incredibly effective for a wide range of physical and neurological maladies.

To date we have had literally thousands of people order our "Litha-Life " supplement and have received hundreds of testimonials from people that have experienced remarkable recovery from migraines, cluster headaches, fibro-myalgia, sleep disorders, Bi-Polar illness, lack of energy and muscular weakness. Obviously, it should not surprise any of us that 'Lithium Orotate" would have a remarkable effect on the electrical/neurological system of the human body. After all, what do you think the world's most powerful batteries are made from?

Bottom line: I would NOT be selling or taking Lithium Orotate each and every day if I did not know that it is totaly safe and completely beneficial. Furthermore, I routinely do things each and every day that young men a third my age can't do. No Brag, Just fact! And I am going to continue to create and market formulations with my partners that are especially useful for men and women that want to maintain lifelong strength and especially youthfulness. I can't help but think that I have a huge market to tap into.

And finally, If someone does not want what I have to offer, that's fine. They don't have to buy it. It doesn't get any simpler than that.

---John Peterson

Nathan

11-16-2008, 01:46 PM

I routinely do things each and every day that young men a third my age can't do. No Brag, Just fact!

Very true my friend. BUT I might catch up to you someday. :wink:

JoeJustice

11-16-2008, 02:03 PM

John,

Not to belabor a point, but I've been reading around a little about Lithium Orotate and I can't really figure out the difference between the prescription kind "Lithium" and "Lithium Orotate". Seems the prescription kind is very toxic and used for extreme mental health issue and also, of course, it requires a prescription. But Lithium Orotate is safe and widely available without a prescription?

I don't think I'm the only one with this confusion. Can you explain the difference?

-Joe

gruntbrain

11-16-2008, 10:15 PM

It'd be instructive to know the safe dose range for lithium orotate & possible food sources

Craiger

11-17-2008, 04:19 AM

It looks like a fantastic list of ingredients, but I have concerns too:

1) The lithium (to echo other's concerns)
2) I'm not a big fan of Potassium Sorbate or Sodium Benzoate. While the FDA has "proven" their safety, those two ingredients (in particular the sodium benzoate) are controversial.
3) The price. In this day and age I have to watch every penny. I wish I didn't because there are a lot of supplements I would love to take.

For those interested here's a link to a USDA paper that lists the actual ORAC rating of foods. It's interesting. Dry cocoa powder (unsweetened) has a total ORAC value of 80,933 Umol TE/100g. Blueberries have an ORAC value of 6552 Umol TE/100g. So, it seems that if you eat 100g (3.5 oz) of blueberries you can get a higher ORAC value than the drink and save major bucks.

Here's the link:
http://www.ars.usda.gov/SP2UserFiles/Place/12354500/Data/ORAC/ORAC07.pdf

gruntbrain

11-17-2008, 08:08 AM

I use unsweeted cocoa extract but don't claim any benefits other than it's cheap ( 100 grams for $8.00)

marktb

11-17-2008, 08:20 AM

John,

I called you and sent a few PM's. I don't think you are getting my PM's as no one is who I have sent them to.

Please email me at marktb68@yahoo.com or call me at 480-200-4079 to talk about what we discussed awhile back.

Mark Baldwin

gruntbrain

11-17-2008, 08:27 AM

OneWheel
The best I can say about unsweetened cocoa mixed with water is that it's palatable & certainly not nasty

John Peterson

11-17-2008, 09:41 AM

Hey Friends,

The Nutriprima Web Site will have all of the pertinent information that you request. So please check back with it from time to time.

Now to answer Craiger. What you have stated is absolutely correct. Blueberries do indeed have an ORAC value of 6552 per 100 grams (3.57 ounces) which is very,very high. By comparison our Espre product contains 16,354 ORAC units per100 grams. But it certainly would not be necessary to take that much Espre at one time. In fact, I limit myself to just 2-one ounce servings each morning for an ORAC score of 9162 which costs about $2.60 compared to more than $5.00 for the equivalent ORAC from Blueberries. BUT there is no comparison between blueberries and Espre when one considers the synergy of other Nutrients one achieves by taking the blend of Nutrients as contained in Espre. It's not even a close comparison.

Now as far as the Lithium Orotate is concerned we will be putting that information up on our Nutriprima website so that you can read about it's incredible benefits and make your own judgment..

----John Peterson

P.S. You'd have to take 4 and 1/2 bottles of Mona Vie (our biggest competitor) at more than $40.00each to equal the nutrients of just one bottle of Espre. Bottom line: I've done my homework. Nobody delivers as good of product as we do for the price. And in our case it is not just me saying it. We have paid for the testing and certification to have our product tested by Brunswick Labs. Ours is way above everyone else's ounce for ounce and we have the certification to prove it.

gruntbrain

11-17-2008, 11:11 AM

How about the shelf life of Espre?

As an aside, I use frozen berries instead of fresh berries; they're cheaper, have a long shelf life & availble throughout the year. Is there a downside when compared with going fresh?

I also use powdered fruit extracts( eg acai, mangosteen, pomegrante,elderberry, ...) to make what I perceive as a health tonic . I can only hope that the shelf life of my powders is at least a few months.

gruntbrain

11-17-2008, 02:54 PM

Yeah, I wish I knew more about shelf life; this is particuliarly important for food based supplements; it's less of a problem with powdered sysnthetic vitamins, minerals, & "magic bullets".
One possible problem with refrigeration is moisture. Daily grinding of flax seeds is likely a wise move if not an overkill

Greg Newton

11-17-2008, 06:55 PM

To date we have had literally thousands of people order our "Litha-Life " supplement and have received hundreds of testimonials from people that have experienced remarkable recovery from migraines, cluster headaches, fibro-myalgia, sleep disorders, Bi-Polar illness, lack of energy and muscular weakness. Obviously, it should not surprise any of us that 'Lithium Orotate" would have a remarkable effect on the electrical/neurological system of the human body. After all, what do you think the world's most powerful batteries are made from?

Hey guys, let me throw my two cents in. I haven't tried the Espre yet. But I have been taking the Lith-a-Life for a couple of months and Lori has for around four. It makes a difference. Her pain from fibro-myalgia is unbearable at times despite a daily dose of opiates that would kill a normal person not acclimated to taking the dosages she does. The Lith-a-Life has helped. Has it healed? No, but like the Tiger Moves and deep breathing it definitely helps with the pain management and with energy and mood levels.

As for me, for the past couple of years I have had several weeks during each month that I feel like my mind is moving through mush and it is hard to focus and do detailed tasks. The Lith-a-Life has helped with that.

I had a long talk with the creator of Lith-a-Life Jim Saxion a few weeks ago. The bottom line is, Americans are not getting necessary nutrients, especially trace minerals, from their food. Our soil is devitalized especially in places like upstate S.C., where for many generations cotton was grown and depleted the soil. I can remember back in the sixties, when I was growing up it was not uncommon for children to eat the red clay because they were so starved for minerals. We took it for granted back then, but even now, years after king cotton was dethroned, vegetables won't hardly grow without plenty of fertilizer.

According to Jim Saxion results from the Lith-a-Life depend on how starved the body is for this trace mineral. That could depend on your environment, your other nutritional intake, if you have a disease, or your genetic makeup.

Like a lot of you, I tend to be skeptical of supplements. I keep it simple: a multi-vitamin, coral calcium, and organic apple cider vinegar. I've taken a lot of stuff over the years that made me sick, gave me gas, or did not work for me. I also know the pain of worrying about expense. However, I trust John Peterson. Everything he has ever recommended to me has been sound. I also need an edge for living and survival in this world we live. Remember what I said about moving through mush? So, if means sacrificing eating fast food a few times over the course of the month to buy a quality supplement, then it is well worth it to me.

blackbelt

11-18-2008, 06:35 AM

Jim Pete,

Although I completely understand your thinking, I don’t think you have anything to be concerned with here.

I, as well has many others, have known John for a looooong time. And, believe me. If there was even the SLIGHTEST hint of danger in a product, he would not even think of endorsing it, let alone be part of selling it.

In short, if the product is being sold by NutriPrima, you can rest assured that it IS safe.

That aside, Greg said something interesting in

results from the Lith-a-Life depend on how starved the body is for this trace mineral. That could depend on your environment, your other nutritional intake, if you have a disease, or your genetic makeup.

This is something I don’t think many people think of this. If your body isn’t “missing” something, many supplements won’t have noticeable affects.

Greg Newton

11-18-2008, 09:37 AM

Just my opinion, but I think altering a child's moods with chemicals without medical supervision is risky at best and possibly bordering on abuse.

Jim,

Aren't we already doing that with the huge amounts of sugar, caffeine, and preservatives we're feeding kids today? What about the overstimulation of video games and T.V.? These things all affect the brain and the other body systems.

On the medical supervision we have to disagree. I know most doctors are well meaning professionals, but I have had little success with the medical profession where the goal seems to be treating the symptoms rather than the problem.

I realize this is a very broad generalization, but for the most part, I have found alternative health practices work better. Some things I will go to an M.D. for, a lot of things I won't. I think a trace mineral supplement would be much safer than the low dose amphetamines children and teens are prescribed routinely.

Nathan

11-18-2008, 11:19 AM

Jim,

Aren't we already doing that with the huge amounts of sugar, caffeine, and preservatives we're feeding kids today? What about the overstimulation of video games and T.V.? These things all affect the brain and the other body systems.

On the medical supervision we have to disagree. I know most doctors are well meaning professionals, but I have had little success with the medical profession where the goal seems to be treating the symptoms rather than the problem.

I realize this is a very broad generalization, but for the most part, I have found alternative health practices work better. Some things I will go to an M.D. for, a lot of things I won't. I think a trace mineral supplement would be much safer than the low dose amphetamines children and teens are prescribed routinely.

Hey Greg,

I am with you on this one my friend. I don't believe anything in ANY of John supplements are going to be anywhere as bad as the things you have pointed out in your post.

So Jim. What about the medications these kids may be already taking for ADD or ADHD. I can say that what John has in Green Xtreme is 1000 times better that what is in the current medications these kids may be taking for their problems. So anyway I am all for this product and EVERY other product John has out now and those that are to come out in the future.

---Nathan

John Peterson

11-18-2008, 11:40 AM

Hey Friends,

It's obvious that Jim Pete has nothing positive to say about our new line of supplements. That's OK . Nobody has a right to expect only praise for what they do. But let me state that he is totally wrong about NUTRI-PRIMA using chemicals as the basis of our supplements. Lithium is a natural mineral (not a synthesized chemical) that just about everyone in America is deficient in. (Why do you think there is an epidemic of behavioral and learning disorders in America when there was not 40 years ago, could it be that there is a wide spread deficiency) And furthermore, In it's Orotate form Lithium is totally S-A-F-E.

But now let me state something else. It bothers me greatly me that anyone would ever accuse me, a Doctor of Naturopathy, or my partners at NUTRI-PRIMA of ever using chemicals or drugs to treat anyone. I am not a medical doctror and do not prescribe anything. Everything I advocate is about using ALL NATURAL remedies THAT WORK!

When it comes to treating people with chemicals (especially children) Jim Pete should go after medical doctors and pharmacists that dispense Ritalin, Adderall, and Strappera to name just a few. If someone wants to feast on chemicals they need to get a prescription from a doctor, because you won't ever get drugs from Nutri-Prima. What we are creating, and have dedicated ourselves to are the World's best natural supplements available at any price. But even so, no one is forcing anyone to take our products.

---John Peterson

JoeJustice

11-18-2008, 11:53 AM

Donna,

Do you have any kind of ballpark for the cost of a blood lithium test? Maybe I'll go get a before in after blood test to put this to rest unless someone else has already done that. I'm guessing it's not a common test though, so it might be pricey. Plus I doubt my insurance would cover since it would be elective. Might I'll just call and see.

Anyhow, what do you think? A month or longer on the Lith-a-Life? How often do they give blood tests for lithium carbonate?

-Joe

JoeJustice

11-18-2008, 12:12 PM

Baseline tests are good. Just curious, though. What if your 'before blood test' shows you have adequate levels of lithium in your system today?

I don't know that I'll DO anything. Do a lithium dance? :party:

I'm not sure I understand your question?

-Joe

JoeJustice

11-18-2008, 12:41 PM

Sorry. Let me clarify. I was wondering how to approach this idea of a blood test. For example, iron deficiency can show up in a blood test and an iron supplement may be recommended. If your blood test shows your lithium level is okay or even high, do you take a supplement containing lithium anyway, for instance?

Probably cross that bridge when I get to it. In general, if it's high I probably have some kind of problem I'm not aware of, you don't see many people walking around with lithium poisoning. If it's "normal" I'll see if the supplement has an effect on blood I suppose.

I'm guessing if John, Greg and many others have been taking lithium orotate for any extended period of time and have not suffered from lithium poisoning but people taking lithium carbonate have to have their blood levels constantly monitored to keep from getting lithium poisoning then lithium orotate does not effect the blood in the same way. If X = 1 and Y = 2 then X does not = Y, if you wanna get all analytical about it.

But that's only a guess, maybe I'm really just stark raving mad and John is trying to systematically poison everyone who visits his website.

-Joe

Jim Saxion

11-18-2008, 12:42 PM

Hi Joe,
A limited blood test isn’t to expensive depending on where it’s conducted. Prescription Lithium is prescribed at toxic levels and it is very important to monitor a patients lithium levels as damage can occur and the side effects are horrendous. The minor dosage of LiOr in LithaLife is higher than the two other products in NutriPrima’s line, but none is even REMOTLY close, not even in the same ball park, of the amount contained in a prescription form. Not to mention it just is not needed. In a JAMA article, and I don’t have time to get the quote, they in effect said that it’s because of the orotate that the LiOr is so effective at such a tiny dosage. In that state, it will enter the cell safely and effectively. Also when comparing a natural product and a prescription its good to remember that a natural product cannot be patented. Therefore there’s no big money to be made. Often, pharmaceutical companies work hard to synthesize a natural substance into a chemical compound so that a patent can be issued and the company’s stockholders can realize a return on their investment. Getting a return on an investment is a wonderful experience but gambling with lives isn’t. If you drink to much water you could die. To much cardio can cause heart attacks (some of my favorite runners are dead), the ephedrine argument, when examined doesn’t have much strength, after all, it’s been used for thousands of years with great success. Then inordinate attention is focused on a few people (one in particular) that used it in an abnormal fashion, taken off the market and now it’s back…How much coffee is too much? And if we are REALLY interested in a scary fact let’s look at the actual number of deaths, yes deaths, which occurred last year from PROPERLY prescribed medications. I’m concerned when people say they have their lives back, they have their marriages back, they have their energy back, they think, focus and sleep better and some of these folks hold licenses to practice medicine and use LiOr to do it.

ezekial1925

11-18-2008, 01:01 PM

Thank you Jim,
Outstanding post! I have a friend who is bipolar who takes lithium. He looks upon it as a Godsend , but the toxic effect concerns me. Are you saying taking lithium orotate could completely replace the prescription form easily? Would one have to continually monitor one's level with a bipolar condition, or would the lithium orotate virtually clear it up on it's own?
Thanks for any response.
Jim

Jim Saxion

11-18-2008, 01:02 PM

Good question. Espre is not like a fine wine that gets better with time. We guarantee your product for one year, unopened and maintained in climate controlled conditions. Once the product is opened it is expected to be consumed within 30 to 60 days while refrigerated.

Our stability testing has demonstrated that the berries start turning dark after 90 days regardless of refrigeration or open shelf storage. The darker colored product still maintains its flavor and antioxidant value.

JoeJustice

11-18-2008, 01:07 PM

I'm thinking John needs to start a new Forum called "Ask Jim Saxion" :tongue:

-Joe

Jim Saxion

11-18-2008, 01:17 PM

There are a lot and I do mean a lot of people that feel it is a Godsend and they are right. Take a deeper look; we have to have it to function properly. When you understand the simple research that the government did regarding lithium and various water supplies in the U.S. and the dramatic correlation in the decreases of violent crimes in those areas, it’s an easy conclusion to come to that we all benefit. Meaning, the people that use it act better so their communities are safer; their families are happier and spiritually, emotionally and physically lives are improved when we have the balance God intended us to have.

To say that LiOr could replace the prescription would be practicing medicine and we don’t do that. However, a couple of MD’s have stated that they would combine the two. There are others (some that John knows personally) that do use the LiOr exclusively after their lives were threatened by the medication. There are wonderful physicians who practice natural and allopathic medicine together and if I were Bipolar I would seek their advice and follow my own inner leading…

Thank you Jim,

Outstanding post! I have a friend who is bipolar who takes lithium. He looks upon it as a Godsend , but the toxic effect concerns me. Are you saying taking lithium orotate could completely replace the prescription form easily? Would one have to continually monitor one's level with a bipolar condition, or would the lithium orotate virtually clear it up on it's own?