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[John Peterson]

Hey Friends,

Now that we have switched over to this new forum, I now have the ability to remove parts of posts that are not permitted (such as links to products and forums that have not been approved before hand, or off color language) without having to remove an entire post that may otherwise be fine and even offer valuable insight. I will do so only on a necessary basis. And since I'm only going to do it on a 'need to and necessary' basis, if someone complains about or challenges me about certain edits on the open forum they will be banned.

Bottom line: If anyone has a question as to why I have done something, please e-mail me. I will gladly consider your viewpoint and if I am wrong I will state it publicly and apologize as is appropriate. If however, anyone has the bright idea to denounce me on the open forum for a decision that I have made privately, and have endeavored to keep private, they will be permanently banned with no discussion. I had this happen over a month ago with a man that I actually liked but he intentionally tried to humiliate me by 'denouncing' a decision that I made privately (so that another man that I had banned would not be held up to ridicule.) that he insisted to make public.

Believe me, I will never intentionally humiliate anyone on this forum and I will not permit anyone else to do so either. This way we will have a forum of high level and intelligent individuals posting.

Now, Adolescent Boys (regardless of their chronological age, whether they are 15 or 50 or more) that can't control their behavior and wish to talk rough or live in adolescent centerfold fantasies and daydreams don't belong here. These unfortunate boys use profanity and talk tough in order to impress one another. They criticize others who are high level contributors because they know that they themselves have nothing that is intelligent to say and are incapable of contributing anything of lasting value. Even when they do produce something, the quality is so lacking as to be almost unintentionally funny. As a result they lash out at those who actually are the "DOERS" that produce great products at a high standard. In order to compensate for their feelings of inferiority these pathetic adolescents have nothing better to do than sit on their fat rear end and play on their keyboards criticizing others. They find solace in each others company and are too stupid to realize that when they are not criticizing someone with 'the pack' that the pack will turn on them in a heartbeat and start criticizing them. So much for their loyalty to each other.

Example: These poor boys show their colors and stupidity when they intentionally continue to question things even after a thorough and sound explanation has been given. This they do not do just because they are stupid but in order to inflame controversy and to be contrary for the sake of being contrary even when they know they are wrong. BUT, rather than admit they are wrong, these sorry individuals try to twist things in order to appear as though they are right. Granted, some people think it's hilarious that an adolescent that appears to be a grown man would act out in such a pitiful fashion just so that he can be heard regardless of how insane his rantings continue to be. But it's not funny, IT'S PATHETIC!

Now, in spite of what I have just stated about these unfortunates, the truth is they each know who they are and they will criticize me for starting this thread. Yet, it will be they who identify themselves and not me. And my, isn't that brilliant.

But the truth is, with what I have just stated being said, there is no need to feel sorry for these 'WILE E. COYOTE'S " that have not grown up. They certainly have other places to go in order to be with 'like mindless' individuals like themselves where they can congregate and plot their insane schemes together while perpetuating each others self hatred (that they project outward because they hate the fact that they are losers and know it)and centerfold fantasies of what they were never able to achieve but only fantasize about. Seriously, the very women these idiots fantasize about wouldn't look at them twice unless they recognized the idiots stupidity and wanted to separate him from his cash,and then would lose him like a bad hairdo just as soon as she separated the poor idiot from his money. So the point is there is no need to feel sorry for these WILE E.COYOTES that don't have a life, but they do have each other and their own places to go in order to feed each others insane ego's and adolescent fantasies. And finally, there is an old saying, 'Misery loves company' but that's not true in their case. In their case "it demands it" and that's why they have found each other.

---John Peterson

[blackbelt]

Nicely stated John.

And, kudos to you and the gang for the new forum.

[FlameOn]

I am new here and need to understand this a bit better.

Now that we have switched over to this new forum, I now have the ability to remove parts of posts that are not permitted (such as links to products and forums that have not been approved before hand, or off color language) without having to remove an entire post that may otherwise be fine and even offer valuable insight. I will do so only on a necessary basis. And since I'm only going to do it on a 'need to and necessary' basis, if someone complains about or challenges me about certain edits on the open forum they will be banned.

Now if I swear, advertise a product, post spam, or am rude -- I deserve a warning and possibly a ban. If I continue to do these actions, a permanent ban would most certainly be understandable. I think we can all agree on what swearing, advertising, spam, and rudeness is. Punishment for these acts should not require an explanation.

HOWEVER, if I come on this forum and say something along the lines that I feel weight training is superior to isometrics, I don't feel I should ever be banned, or edited, or muted, or punished in any way. If it is my view, and it is stated in a polite way, I should not be banned simply because I disagree with you, John.

I should not be banned for challenging you on your views or practices... unless of course, this is not an open discussion forum and is instead a dictatorship where only certain views are allowed and the rest are silenced.

... if someone complains about or challenges me about certain edits on the open forum they will be banned.

Open forum? In an open forum, disagreements and discussions are allowed... not silenced.

In my mind, this type of practice does not encourage the kind of knowledge that can only be gained from looking at a situation from all sides. Instead, we are all forced into your beliefs, and to talk about it in a way that only you see fit, otherwise we're hit with the ban stick.

Please explain why your forum members are not allowed to courteously disagree with you and instead have to worry that each post may be their last?

[JoeJustice]

FlameOn,

Kinda weird that your first post you're tying to dictate to John how he runs his forum. Why don't you start your own weight lifting forum and talk about weight lifting all you want? Why would you want to come to a non-weight lifting forum to talk about weight lifting? You gotta be kidding me if you're going to suggest there aren't enough weight lifting forums already out there.

I'm pretty sure all that John is saying is, "If you have a problem let me know privately and we'll try to work it out."

I don't see how that's all that complicated.

-Joe

P.S. Give it a rest Kraut.

[tom]

There is weightlifting and there is non-weightlifting. This site is for non-weightlifting.

Do not go to a vegetarian forum to discuss the best grain-fed hamburger.

Do not go to a baseball forum and discuss football.

Do not go to a judo class and punch someone in the nose.

It's pretty simple.

Tom

[John Peterson]

Hey Joe,

FlameOn just made my point with his first and only post which will not be deleted. I want all of my friends to read it for themselves and then to read what you have stated Joe. Now if this were a weight lifting forum he could state that he believes Isometrics are superior to weight lifting and I would not argue. Afterall, everyone has a right to their own opinion. But this is not a weight lifting forum and it is a forum dedicated Body/Mind training without having to rely on equipment even though we openly endorse a few pieces of equipment that are totally in keeping with our methods.

I'm afraid that Mr.FlameOn will have to FlameOn ( a very appropriate and well chosen name I might add since that was his first and only post) somewhere else. I wish him well.


---John Peterson

P.S. I'm sure that he will find more appropriate forums that are more to his liking.

[JoeJustice]

Looks like this is a pretty brilliant idea on Mr. Peterson's part to weed out the cheap, early power. These guys are like a moth to a flame with a thread like this. They can't help but show themselves, John doesn't even have to hunt them out.

Hilarious!
-Joe

P.S. Sorry if I just gave your strategy away, John. :shut-mouth:

[bennyb]

Not bad John. Keeping a positive family orintated forum but still get down to business when needed. I think its a great idea and should be in with the rules of this forum.

[Hank_Z]

John,

I totally support the way you're handling the problems that you described. Because of your refusal to let anyone try to humiliate someone else on this forum, I feel totally safe on this forum.

Hank

[Nathan]

Hey John,

Very clever my friend. Just like you said they will identify themselves and not you. We have already witnessed this with Mr. FlameOn a little bit ago. I have said this before just like a few others this is your forum and your rules. If they don't like them then go some where else don't try to cause problems. Anyway again very smart John and All the best my friend.

--Nathan--

[John Peterson]

Now come on Joe, you and I have been friends for quite a while now, it truly is not necessary for you to point out the obvious that has already happened here. Even though it is absolutely hilarious to see.

And by the way friends, the first post in this thread is exactly the sort of post that Alois P Swoboda would have written to draw out his adversaries. This is what Gordon routinely does with great humor and has a great time doing it. It drives certain types of individuals(those that are mentioned in my first post of this thread) even crazier.

Seriously, it isn't necessary to name them or anyone else because they'll do it for you. These are the very kinds of men that openly say that they cannot understand the concept of mind/muscle training as we teach it and that it does not work. Without the slightest knowledge or remotest comprehension of it, they say that it is not superior to other methods.And of course, I think it becomes obvious that they are in fact, telling the truth. Why? Because in order for Mind/Muscle training to be fully realized one must have both! Having the latter without the former simply will not cut it.


---John Peterson

[kelbiz]

John;

Good move. There has got to be a measure of decorum. By expecting mutual respect among members this forum will attract a certain type of people......decent folks. Incendiary comments by hotheads (yes, pun intended) only devalue a good thing.

I once heard this advice:

Never play with a pig in the mud...you'll both get dirty but the pig will like it.:pig:

Keep it clean.

Jack

[FlamedOn]

Herein lies my point exactly. I was merely using Weight Training as an example of an issue that could arrise. You want to keep the discussion in this forum revolving around your method of training............... that most certainly is your prerogative and you have my utmost support. This is a forum for Isometrics and it is agreed that there are many other places one might go for Weight Training discussion if they so choose.

So let's drop weight lifting and take up another issue entirely......... like someone posting politely about not understanding John's methods of moderating his forum. I asked a question without breaking any forum rules. I questioned John's cencorship of his forum. I didn't talk about the benefits of Weight Lifting. I didn't slander. I wasn't rude.

I asked a question.... and I was banned. Case in point. Given no chance to clarify my position or bring any resolution to the situation.

My initial post questioned this exact issue......... ban those that break the rules......... but you can't just ban someone for bringing a different side of things to a discussion or asking a difficult quesiton and requesting an answer.

I realize my post didn't pat John on the back and agree with his stance...... but it didn't do anything worthy of a ban. It just asked for clarification and a two-way discussion. Instead, I was silenced......

You now have two options, ban me again (I will not return and leave you to your business), or allow me to finish this conversation and bring resolution to the situation.

[blackbelt]

You must be kidding with this.

Simply by looking at your choice of screen name(s) and the nature of your first post, you throw up so many flags it is amazing.

I have a suggestion.

You stick to your business, and let those of us who frequent this forum and who adhere to its principles stick to ours.

In the end, we'll all be MUCH happier.

[John Peterson]

Mr FlamedOn,

What part of contacting me through private e-mail if you have an issue or disagreement with me and not posting it on the open forum did you not understand? Was I not clear? Please understand, I have no intention of arguing with anyone. If anyone has a disagreement with me then it should be sent to me privately. NO EXCEPTIONS!

---John Peterson

P.S. And NO, friends I am not removing FlamedOn's post. Read it for what it is.

[tom]

I missed something I should have caught earlier - first, in fact.

Joe, you should not use an ethnic slur. Your post was fine without it.

A father of a friend of mine was almost lynched by a mob calling him that name. Luckily a neighbor stood on the porch between them and him with a gun. It was during WW1, in the Northwest.

Tom

[JoeJustice]

Tom, he calls himself that name on another board. I was just giving him a little wink that I know who he really is.

-Joe

[John Peterson]

Tom My Friend,

If someone has the propensity to refer to themselves as something that is normally considered to be inappropriate or even vulgar, that is them making a statement about themselves and certainly not us.

And Joe my friend, It's amazing how many aliases some people hide behind while on the internet. One man I know of has called himself Orangemonee, TER, long time lifter, and I'm sure many other aliases as well. He did this to hide his true identity so that he could say obnoxious and rude things as well as other things that he would not otherwise dare to say to any other man's face because he was the cleassic coward hiding behind an alias.

For the most part, these are weak minded , miserable failures that have never accomplished anything and as a result have a terrible self image. To compensate they pretend to be 'know it alls', act tough, and make rude, vulgar comments. These poor degenerates often have a long list of aliases because they are cowards that don't want to be held accountable for their idiocy. So they hide behind a keyboard with multiple aliases. In a very real sense they suffer from Multiple Personality Disorder and are among the most cowardly and weak minded of all undeveloped adolescent boys that never grew up to become men. They are truly sad failures. This is why they hide. I don't hate such men, in fact, I don't hate anyone. But I do pity them.

---John Peterson

[tom]

Tom, he calls himself that name on another board.

I didn't know that. Got it. Thanks for clarifying.

Tom

[Grant Douglass]

g'day John nice to see you again , digger here ,
as i once said it's your sand box & everyone who plays in it knows the rules

Throwing sand in peoples eyes isn't excepted. Treat others as you would like to betreated, , well i would have to admit & I'll give credit to " flame on, "
he came in & lead with his chin, maybe he should of been called " roman candle"

I think he actually now might hold the record for

( the least amount of posts.)

Flame on, that was a beautifull demonstration on how to make an entry & poor exit in one go!
maybe it was well worth you doing it

SO EVERYONE KNOWS THE RULES
! What was that guys name again?! he wasn't here long enought to be remembered for contributng much , except a perfect lesson in " Biting the hand that feeds you. Then biting the dust""
digger

[hollyweed88]

This seems like such a different area than what I had become accustomed to seeing.
Congrats Mr. Peterson, to your new forum. I am glad you have more control. I am always afraid you will get fed up with some unwanted "guests" and just cancel this fab forum. That would be a big loss for me and many others.
I miss seeing how many posts each person has made. I had reached 500, and was very proud to see that number showing up at every post I made.

[Nathan]

Hey Digger,

I think you are right. He might hold the record for the least amount of posts. :laugh:

--Nathan--

[isorez]

Having discussions based on trianing is what made this forum grow.

[budgiefan]

It's funny, no, sad, no, surprising, no, amazing to me that some people simply do not and nerver will understand the concept of free speech. It DOES NOT mean you can go anywhere you want, any time you want and say anything you want to anyone you want. Every home, town, state, business, group, club, forum, etc has it's own rules that it has every right to enforce. If one cannot obey those rules, they have no business being there.

And the whole weightlifing topic (although I understand Flamer was just using it as an example), I'm happy to see a short leash given to it. I don't mind if someone asks specific questions about specific exercises, but the question of whether weightlifting is "better" than John's methods or not - does this ever really need to be addresssed again? Ever? Really?

As has been ponted out countless times, there are probably a trillion boards out there dedicated to weightlifing. Go there and praise weightliftine and bash bodyweight training. I don't care.

But when you're here, let's talk about bodyweight training.

I feel better now.

Jeff