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John Peterson
07-29-2010, 02:32 PM
Hey Friends,

I received an e-mail regarding Greg Newton's incredible series of articles on Swoboda. The man that e-mailed me specifically asked #1) if the Swoboda exercises were intended to be a complete bodybuilding system and course and #2) if so, do I (John Peterson) personally believe the exercises as presented would develop an exceptional physique? So let me address these two concerns.

#1) The Swoboda Physiological exercises were self directed muscle contraction/relaxation exercises of the DVR type (for the most part) and included some calisthenics such as we teach. Swoboda wanted his students to understand that the purpose of the exercises was to gain complete and direct voluntary mastery ( muscle control ) over any given muscle or groups of muscles at will as well as to use this same harnessed 'thought' to master every facet of their lives. As such Swoboda used no apparatus of any kind but instead focused on teaching direct muscle stimulus through what we refer to as the mind/muscle connection. In other words Swoboda was teaching focused thought as the means to create the desired muscular contraction and outcome.

Obviously, Swoboda had some young men wanting to build their physiques to a level of superb muscular development such as Swoboda himself exhibited. (This was the case with young Angelo Siciliano who later became famous as Charles Atlas.) While others including ranch hands, lumberjacks, steel workers, railroad workers, farmers, professional men and athletes each had their own specific needs that were often of a more remedial, corrective, or rehabilitative nature. The fact is that both groups could utilize Swoboda's exercises to great benefit. So, in answer to the question of whether or not the Swoboda exercises were intended to be a complete bodybuilding system the answer is that depending upon one's intentions and how the exercises were utilized they most certainly could be a complete body building system or they could be the world's best and safest form of remedial and rehabilitative exercise that one could possibly use.

#2) Do I believe the Swoboda exercises by themselves could build a great physique? Reread my answer to the first part of the question. YES! I do believe the Swoboda exercises could build an exceptional physique if they were utilized in the way that we teach. BUT It would all depend upon a persons application of concepts that were taught. For example Tromp Van Diggelen developed his physique to such an extent with this same type of exercise that Eugen Sandow stood in awe of what he had accomplished when the young Van Diggelen told him that he (Van Diggelen) did not develop himself with the exerciser that Sandow had given him but had instead used his own muscle control exercises. Bottom line: The Swoboda Exercises were and are superb exercises. The results obtained from them would strictly depend upon how they are utilized.

OK, that's my take. I'm sure Greg and Gordon and others will respond with their own insights but I have no doubt that Swoboda's exercises could be used to build an awesome physique just like Bob Hoffman's father once had.

---John Peterson

MikeNY
07-29-2010, 06:29 PM
John I can see a link between the 1960's Dynaflex Course by Mike Marvel and the Swboda DVR exercises. It is not an imitation but more of a tribute, and in the style of Swoboda. It looks like Greg put a lot of thought into Swoboda's exercises, and you guys should bring out a modern version of the Swoboda Course.

Andy62
07-29-2010, 06:49 PM
When I look at the time line it becomes obvious that Alois P.Swoboda preceded all of the self tensing and internal projection type exercise courses that followed including those of the muscle controllers.

Greg Newton
07-29-2010, 06:55 PM
I'm going to share this. I haven't even told John.

Over the summer I've been working on close grip pullups, I am up to a top set of nine in the course of the workout. I could probably do more in an all out set. I've had a lot of false starts and injuries from trying to overdo pullups and chins, so I am careful, slow, and meticulous in how I perform them.

The close grips are the safest pullups I can do. I've tried chin ups a time or two, but I felt like I was going to tear a wrist tendon or my bicep muscle. I was going to have to start off slow doing sets of one and two reps with a partial range of motion, just like I did with the close grip pullups.

However, I spent a week practicing the Swoboda curls and the table press and pull out. Sunday I decided to try some chins. I was extremely surprised to chin with full extension and contraction. I felt very strong in this movement.

Was it the Swoboda exercises that made the difference? I think so. It is all about strengthening the mind body link. If you don't buy that, don't believe it. As for me I plan on taking this thing to a whole different level. I've had good results so far, some would say very good, but the best is yet to come, and the mind/body link is the key.

Greg Newton

John Peterson
07-29-2010, 07:29 PM
Hey Greg,

Once a man masters the mind/muscle connection and maximizes it as you have it is not the least bit surprising that suddenly he finds himself moving with greater strength and economy of effort in all that he does. And as a direct result is far stronger in all that he does.THIS IS WHAT SWOBODA TAUGHT! You've nailed it. So I am not the least bit surprised. After all, how do you think you could suddenly do what you are now doing with ease and not the least bit of fear? Trust me, it ain't just muscular strength alone that's involved. Your mind had to give your muscles permission and I think you know exactly what I mean by that.

Now, think about what you have experienced and think back to Atlas's statement, "Everything I know I learned from A.P. Swoboda." My point is, you now know that Atlas was telling the truth about how he developed his superb physique. He didn't need to rely on anything besides his own M-I-N-D.

BOTTOM LINE: CONGRATULATIONS GREG! YOU NOW KNOW EXACTLY WHAT GORDON AND I FOUND IN SWOBODA BECAUSE YOU HAVE TOO.

---John Peterson

duff
07-29-2010, 09:39 PM
Greg--that totally parallels my experience with pullups and DVRs. I found myself getting lots of little injuries when doing pullups and also lacked the strength until doing DVR chins, especially (for me) focusing on relaxing the elbows (where I had pain) and focusing on pulling with the lats.

Greg Newton
07-30-2010, 08:02 AM
Hey Duff,

Trust me on this on. Your experience has motivated me for several years when the going got tough. I always kept coming back to the mind/body link. It has just taken me a little longer to get it and open the door to the possibilities

Greg.

Dr. success
07-30-2010, 07:50 PM
I've seen posts on this forum from Gordon and Greg quoting Bob Hoffman who said his father did only Swoboda exercises and flexed a lot and he had the biggest and most muscular body Hoffman had ever seen, and Hoffman saw a lot of muscular men.

Andy62
07-30-2010, 08:24 PM
Chapter 30 page 202:

http://www.sandowplus.co.uk/Competition/Hoffman/fic/Functional%20Isometric%20Contraction/album/index.html

Greg Newton
07-30-2010, 10:41 PM
Hey Doc,

If you start digging into the Hoffman books on the Sandow site, which most were donated by none other than Gordon Anderson, a.k.a. Andy62, you'll find a lot of references to Hoffman's father's build and the tensing and flexing he did. You'll also find that Hoffman himself was a Swoboda student, but he lacked the ability to make it work like his fathe did. You'll also find many a slam on Charles Atlas and Dynamic Tension.

You'll see as well that the "Healthiest Man in America" took few pictures of his mighty body. There are however a lot of great pictures of Grimek.

Greg

Andy62
07-31-2010, 11:54 AM
The more that I think about it the more I am convinced that Alois P. Swoboda's exercise system is the ultimate form of exercise for men and women of all ages, physical conditions. and levels of strength. The exercises can be used anywhere, anytime, and without the assistance of any form of apparatus. Even if someone is not motivated to use them now they should still learn them for future use. They are mind/body energy exercises that have been used in yoga and the martial arts successfully for thousands of years. They apply the mind/body development principles that were validated in scientific research conducted at the Menninger Clinic. Swoboda took those same principles that yogis had used to develop control of both their conscious and autonomic nervous systems, demystified them, and applied them to developing the physical and "intuitive abilities" necessary to allow us to survive and adapt to a rapidlly changing society and universe. As Swami Rama, the primary subject of the Menninger Clinic Research, said of this form of exercise,"In these subtle exercises one comes to experience the tremendous potential of the mind itself and one makes a dramatic step inward through the layers of personality toward the center of the mind and consciousness." We are talking about powerful life empowering stuff.

duff
07-31-2010, 12:46 PM
Thanks, Greg. Glad my experience could inspire you...now your experiences are inspiring me! While I "got it" with DVR quickly, I wasn't consistent and got out of shape and now am rebuilding my strength.