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TejasT
02-03-2011, 10:49 AM
I come from a family who loves the sweet science. But I'm sorry . . . heavyweight boxing simply sucks these days.

If I had to guess at one reason, it's because the heavyweights are just too big and slow these days. There's no action. No great combinations. Just headhunters looking for a knockout punch.

The lighter divisions are much more exciting in my opinion.

I wonder how much the addition of weight training (and/or "legal" or illegal supplements) has added to the demise of heavyweight boxing. I think back not only to Dempsey, Marciano, Ali, Frazier, but also Tyson. These guys were small compared to modern day heavyweights (OK, not Tyson, but he was a genetic monster).

If you research their routines, you'll find they very rarely touched weights. They also, in my opinion, would put modern heavyweights to shame.

Case in point, here's a Frazier workout (from his book, "Box Like the Pros."). Other guys like Dempsey and Ali followed a similar type training.

Any thoughts?

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Frazier's Routine:

1. First, get into decent shape before going to gym by doing Push Ups, Sit Ups, and Jogging every day. Jog for 30 or 35 minutes (Or run what you can then walk the rest). 3 or 4 Sets of 25 Push-Ups (or as many as you can do) with a minute or minute and a half of rest in between. 3 or 4 Sets of Sit-Ups of as many as you can do comfortably with 25 seconds of rest in between.

2. Once you can Jog the whole 30-35 minutes straight, do 30-35 Pushups straight, and 50-60 Situps straight you switch to gym workouts.

3. Gym workout (typically something like this -- see his book for more detail). This is 5 days/week.

Loosen Up/Stretch: 2 Rounds
Shadowbox: 2 Rounds
Spar: 2-5 Rounds
Heavy bag: 3 Rounds
Speed bag: 3 Rounds
Double-end bag: 2 Rounds
Jump Rope: 15 Minutes
Calisthenics

Andy62
02-03-2011, 11:32 AM
I totally agree. The last few heavyweight matches that I started to watch on TV I turned off out of boredom. Just a couple of big clutses dancing with eachother. The trend toward size and bulk has spoiled the sport. Boxers used to train for speed, endurance. and reaction time. Now it is all "burst training". I think the quote below says it all.


" The major objective should be to develop a high - quality body possessed of vigor and the capacity to resist stress and strain.Ironically the popular Tarzan - like symbol of fitness for men, a large chest, shoulders and arms, can be a detriment to performance. Hypertrophy - increase in muscle mass - means an extra weight to carry around and an impairment to movement. In a sense, it is like being obese: instead of hypertrophy of fat cells, you develop hypertrophy of muscle cells."

Laurence E. Morehouse, Ph.D.
Founder of the Human Performance laboratoy at UCLA and developer of the fitness program fo the Apollo Astronauts.

michael
02-03-2011, 03:39 PM
I agree to TejasT.I use to watch boxing all the time but now I just watch old matches on ESPN Classics.The only boxer I really enjoy watching is Manny Pacqueou.It's actually to much off a science now,this supplement that wieght exercise,etc........

freedom2move
02-08-2011, 11:48 PM
I wouldn't say weight training was the issue. Evander Holyfield was a great fighter (still competing!) and he was weight trainied. More so than how they train is how they fight! I think the Klitchko's who rule the division right now are jabbing their way through 12 round snoozers. Personally, I miss the headhunter David Tua. That guy was always in it to fight.

I would say todays heavyweight issue is more on the conditioning side and I agree with Andy about the over reliance on busrt conditioning. I dont know how burst conditioning became the cure for all of the conditioning issues people ever had.

Boxers have run, long distances to help build endurance and I believe it's still valid. Great boxers with great conditoining had GREAT aerobic endurance and running builds that.

I am totally biased as I have done tabata intervals in the past and my conditioning has been so so- but since doing long runs again I can see measurable improvements in my conditioning- (my resting heartrate in 4 weeks of training has gone from 61 to 57, my anaerobic threshold has increased as well from 155 to 160)

I cant believe I enjoy running.