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Greg Newton
01-29-2012, 07:40 AM
This was an interesting article G.B. sent me from www.readingeagle.com (http://www.readingeagle.com) For too long victims in America have been stripped of their right to defend themselves from predators. This article is fairly balanced on the pros and cons of self-defense.


Pennsylvania's recently expanded use-of-force law helps ensure that victims of violence can protect themselves, supporters say.

But law enforcement officials warn gun owners that while legitimate self-defense is legal, deadly force should be used only as a last resort.

Officials determined that was the case Wednesday when a 65-year-old Reading man shot two teens - one fatally - when they tried to rob him along the Thun Trail in Cumru Township. The man will not be charged, authorities said.

The state law known as the Castle Doctrine was updated last spring to include what attorneys call a "stand your ground doctrine."

Now even those outside their home, car or workplace can use deadly force without first trying to retreat if they meet certain criteria.

If someone is facing serious attack with a deadly weapon and has a permitted gun, they are allowed to shoot, Berks County District Attorney John T. Adams said Thursday.

The shooting also is allowable if retreat is not an option and they are in danger of being killed or badly hurt, even if the attacker does not have a weapon, he said.

"It (using deadly force) is the last thing you want to do, but it is necessary in certain situations," he said.

Those who carry guns should make sure they understand the law, said Reading defense attorney James M. Polyak.

"It's tricky business," he said. "Reasonable use of deadly force might be an entirely different concept for one person than it is for another."

Anyone using a gun in self-defense also needs to be careful of the potential for collateral damage, police said.

They should aim carefully, since a stray bullet could hurt or kill an innocent bystander and result in the shooter being charged, said Sgt. Anthony Manetta, a state police spokesman.

"We're trained to survey the scene before we shoot, but most people aren't," he said.

After the shooting, the person who fired the gun should immediately call 9-1-1 to report the details, he said.

They should put the gun down nearby before police arrive, be careful not to disturb the scene and explain to investigators all important details, such as where they were standing and who they shot at, he said.

State Rep. David M. Maloney, a Pike Township Republican who supported the expanded law, said he wanted to ensure victims weren't prosecuted or sued for saving themselves.

"There is no worse situation than to feel helpless and under attack," he said. "Why shouldn't you have the right to defend yourself?"

Maloney said he has often ridden his bicycle on the section of the trail where the man shot the teens and hates to think of an innocent person being assaulted there.

"That section is out of the way, and the perpetrators knew that and took advantage of it," he said. "It was a very dangerous situation."

Max Nacheman, director of CeaseFirePA, said there was no need to update the Castle Doctrine because the law always protected those who used guns to legitimately defend themselves.

"That was never in question," he said.

The new law was pushed by firearm lobbyists trying to spread fear and increase gun sales, he said.

Nacheman wasn't critical of Wednesday's fatal Thun Trail shooting, but said the new law goes too far.

"People should be trying to preserve life, and should only be using guns if they need to," he said. "The change gave too much leeway to those carrying guns."

MikeNY
01-29-2012, 10:33 AM
I read aboutthis victim defending his own life before, but in most of the USA a victim has no rights, and will be the one tried. I live in the Marxist People's Republic of New York, and the Liberal agenda does not want a victim ever to defend thier life or the life of another. Even in Pennsylvania I can see the Obama Regime using Eric Holder's Gestopo to punish anyone that survives an attack.

John Peterson
01-29-2012, 07:40 PM
Hey Friends,

In the event that you must protect yourself or those whom you love it is important that you immediately leave the scene. You must not wait around for anyone. Doing so will serve no good purpose. if you must defend yourself it is imperative that you end the altercation as quickly and as completely as possible to the point that the threat is no longer present. Then, as soon as it is over, leave. IMMEDIATELY!

---John Peterson

Larry Wick
01-29-2012, 11:09 PM
Hi All,


Its great to be back, but It seems I find myself traveling and teaching more and more. What a great article, thanks for posting it. Our country has such a long way to go in which a man can be a man and protect his loved ones and property without placing his own life in great danger do do legal ramifivactions and lawers.
Remember, the legal system is not just, it is who can afford the best lawer in front of the judge and jury. You life may end as you know it if even doing the proper thing to protect ones self is very possible. I have reallly learned this through the lawers I have worked with. Laws are not black and white, they are all grey a lawyer told me and his job was to turn it to the color his client needs. Scary thought, but htats how society is today. SSS has been completly changed in the last couple of years to address these problems. In the past we would hurt everyone, even if they did something that was not to threatening, now because of lawers and what they have taught me, we take it tl the levels needed. We use powder blast, burn and concushion whenever possible when delaing with firearms, the attacker cuts himself instead of you taking the knife away and cutting, and most importantly escape if possible without doing any damage or causing pain if the opportunity arrises. SSS takes self-defene to the highest levels in less than a second, but as a professional my goal is to drive a little atttention to me as possible. To all out there be safe, your friend, Larry

Greg Newton
01-30-2012, 05:15 AM
Thank you for your insights Larry. As a professional you know that there are often two battles to be fought in a self-defense situation. One is for your life. The other is in court. As you pointed out, trial lawyers make their money painting a picture for a jury, whether that picture is true or not.

As John brought out in another thread, John McSweeney died of a heart attack from the stress he was under from being prosecuted for threatening a man who had insulted his wife. McSweeney walked right into the hands of a predator, and predatory people know how to manipulate the system.

Appearance is everything. That is why a system of non-obvious self-defense such as Split Second Survival is important to know. It creates a whole new dimension to confrontation, because you are looking at an assault from the beginning to the end. The chaos of violence may come to you, but you have prepared yourself to ride and direct that chaos away from you.

Greg