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03-10-2009, 04:43 PM
 
According to information leaked by Wikileaks.org, a resident of Bangor, Maine, a millionaire white supremacist admirer of Hitler who hated Obama had assembled the makings of a "dirty bomb," that is, a bomb that releases nuclear material. This was discovered as a result of a murder investigation. Apparently, his wife killed him in December.

Isn't it odd that this Timothy McVeigh-esque individual's murder and presumably terrorist plot was not widely covered by the national media?

Here's the Bangor Daily News story, and here is the Raw Story coverage

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03-10-2009, 05:03 PM
 
What is happening in the economy is going to bring out the nuts on both sides of the political spectrum-it always does. This story could very well be true who knows? At the same time I can't think of a better cover story for a woman who killed her husband and stands to inherit an estate that contains a trust fund that generates $10 million a year.

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03-10-2009, 06:18 PM
 
Alan wow! That is stunning the News media never carried that news! It will be an interesting trial, seeing who ordered the depleted uranium, the wife that killed the National Socialist or him the victim. If he was planning this my bet is the jury will reward her for saving the USA. Makes me wonder why she just didn't call the cops.
 
 
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Hi Gordon

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What is happening in the economy is going to bring out the nuts on both sides of the political spectrum-it always does. This story could very well be true who knows?
As you imply, Gordon, it is hard to know the details from the sparse bit of coverage this story has had. I'm not sure why the major media did not consider it newsworthy enough to cover more extensively. And I agree that in times of crises like these, some pretty bizarre people pop out of the woodwork. It's hard to know how delusional this guy was, what sort of paranoid fantasy he may have been operating under. As time goes by, I think we'll know more details.

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At the same time I can't think of a better cover story for a woman who killed her husband and stands to inherit an estate that contains a trust fund that generates $10 million a year.
Apparently, the woman is pleading an insanity defense. At this point, I don't think we can do more than speculate on her motives, and there is precious little information to inform the speculation.

The man in question is reputed to have a history of domestic violence. He may well have been the type of creep who beats his women, and she may just have snapped.




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Alan wow! That is stunning the News media never carried that news! It will be an interesting trial, seeing who ordered the depleted uranium, the wife that killed the National Socialist or him the victim.
That is, if it gets much coverage. I hope it does. It will be interesting to see the details.

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If he was planning this my bet is the jury will reward her for saving the USA. Makes me wonder why she just didn't call the cops.
As I was just saying to Gordon, it may well be that the wife killed the husband in a fit of rage because of some sort of spousal abuse. I kind of doubt she was thinking about the USA. As you say, she didn't just call the cops, or perhaps she had called the cops about spousal abuse and they did not take effective action, or perhaps the wanna-be Nazi was able to sweet-talk her into disregarding any restraining orders she may have had.

They did leave Chino, California and go to Maine, and he was a wealthy man. They may well have been leaving some sort of court-ordered separation behind to get back together again well out of the purview of California law. Or she may have left on her own and he stalked her, found her, and wormed his way back into her life.

What the Southern Poverty Law Center says about Amber Cummings on this web page may give some credence to some of the above speculations.


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According to the FBI report, which was originally posted online by WikiLeaks, an organization that posts leaked documents, police also found a National Socialist Movement membership application filled out by Cummings. The NSM currently is the largest neo-Nazi organization in the country, with 69 chapters in 30 states.

Amber Cummings reportedly told police that her husband was “very upset” over Barack Obama being elected president, had been in contact with white supremacist groups, and that he’d been mixing chemicals in their kitchen sink while talking about dirty bombs. Authorities say she claimed that she killed her husband after years of mental, physical, and sexual abuse. Police are terming his death a “domestic violence homicide” but, at this point, no charges have been filed.


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03-10-2009, 09:18 PM
 
Alan,I hope that the media follows up on this case. I can't believe that they wouldn't unless it is just a senario developed by some creative defense lawyer. When I was in Counter Intelligence during the Cold War I was involved with penetrations of a number of fringe groups from White Supremacists to Black Nationalists to The Communist Party USA. Ofcourse at the time the main threat was the Communists which I was very aware of having been stationed at Fort Benning, Georgia during the Cuban Missile Crisis. We were all given accelerated training by the US Army Rangers for the potential conflict which fortunately never occurred. Inspite of their diverse motives the joiners in most of these groups have similar psychological profiles and to over simplify it are powerless people seeking power through affiliation with a cause. They also tend to be very angry people and attract a particular type of woman as well. This looks interesting. Gordon
 
 
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Hi Gordon,

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Alan,I hope that the media follows up on this case. I can't believe that they wouldn't unless it is just a senario developed by some creative defense lawyer.
I can picture another reason they may not play this much. I think the press goes in for a certain amount of self-censorship, based on what they think is going to sell eyeball space to their patrons, the advertisers. Right now, with a couple of wars going on, perhaps home-grown terrorists of European and Christian background aren't as interesting to the media as foreign ones.

Can you imagine the coverage this would have had if the man were a Muslim with a middle-eastern name, whose wife murdered him, and then the police found the makings of a dirty nuclear terrorist device and an application to join al Qaeda?


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When I was in Counter Intelligence during the Cold War I was involved with penetrations of a number of fringe groups from White Supremacists to Black Nationalists to The Communist Party USA.
Interesting observation, Gordon.

So does that mean that you had first-hand knowledge of Cointelpro?

If so, did you personally know about such of its activities as black-bag jobs, getting people fired or blacklisted, evicted, poison pen letters, frame-ups, and other activities as documented by the so-called Church Committee reports (
United States Senate Select Committee to Study Governmental Operations with Respect to Intelligence Activities). Did you know any of the participants in this program?

I ask because I know several intelligent, loving, generous people who were targets of this and similar programs, and we have a national holiday that celebrates the birthday of one of Cointelpro's targets, the Christian pastor known as Martin Luther King.


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...the joiners in most of these groups have similar psychological profiles and to over simplify it are powerless people seeking power through affiliation with a cause. They also tend to be very angry people and attract a particular type of woman as well....

What kind of woman is that? Is she a different personality than the man who is attracted to such groups?

In Saudi Arabia, a 75-year-old widow is sentenced to be flogged 40 times for consorting with 2 men not her immediate relatives, a violation of that regime's strict interpretation of Shariah. She had been meeting them to receive food.

Is the life-long anger that so many women in Saudi Arabia feel against such oppression as sinful as the life-long anger of the religious authorities who are responsible for this flogging?

If such women join a non-mainstream group to end their oppression, they risk arrest, beatings, ostracism, slander, assault, being made homeless, even stoning. Should we consider them as heroes? Aren't they misfits in Saudi society? There are such brave Muslim women who do such things, stating that the religious authorities make a mockery out of true Islam.

Is it always wrong to seek meaning in one's life by affiliating with a cause greater than one individual?

Indeed, Mr Cummings' angry outbursts, his abuse of his wife, his white-racist views, his history of fighting and temper tantrums is horrifying.

But Martin Luther King carried life-long anger too. True, his hatred was of Jim Crow and discrimination rather than whole classes of people, but he carried life-long anger towards the laws, customs, and arrogance of those who enforced Jim Crow, that uniquely American form of racialist oppression and terrorism. And many criticized Dr. King for it.

As a matter of fact, many accused Dr. King of being a a socialist, communist, a subversive. You may also remember that many called him "Dr. Martin Luther Coon." (For those not in the United States, the term "coon" is a very offensive racist term for "African-American."). Dr. King was accused of "going too far," not being "moderate" enough, "stirring up trouble," and rushing change too fast. During the 1960s, Dr. King was very controversial, and the FBI's director, J. Edgar Hoover, made him and his movement a special target of his programs of disruption, slanders, harassment, arrests, and worse.

But in his case, couldn't one argue that his anger was a force for good because he focused it on creating a mass movement for justice and peace...a movement which the Cointelpro program spent much taxpayer money in an attempt to discredit and disrupt, a movement that was first small and isolated and eventually grew until it had the support and allegiance of most all right-thinking Americans?

Do you think being angry is always bad?

For example, during the infamous events of 9/11/2001, the people on the fourth plane that crashed heard on cell phones that hijackers had crashed into the World Trade Center and realized that the hijackers on their plane were part of the same group. They wrestled with and fought against the hijakers, and no doubt, they felt white-hot anger. Was that bad? Can one make the moral equation between the anger of the hijackers and the people who fought the hijackers on the plane?

The abolitionists of the 19th century were known to carry a lot anger in their zeal to abolish slavery. Do you think that this was a manifestation of their being social misfits? Weren't they, in fact, social misfits because they could not accept the status quo?

Is the thug's anger and scorn for his victim the moral equivalent of the anger and contempt of the mugging victim?

Is the victim of spousal abuse's anger as reprehensible as the anger of the abuser?

After all, you probably know from your background in law enforcement, as well as people you have known, that wife-beaters often feels quite morally justified in their activities? ("She was really asking for it" is perhaps the most common rationalization.)

In short, doesn't it matter what is in the soul of the angry person?

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03-11-2009, 03:59 PM
 
I believe that Anger, is an emotion that is very base in nature, and contains a lot of blocked energy. If this energy can be directed in a positive fashion, it can be useful, as Alan describes.

However, Anger can be the most destructive of emotions to the person experiencing it, especially if it is allowed to linger, is blocked or repressed. It can lead to all sorts of physical problems, and is just not good for long term physical or psychological health.

If it is possible to experience Anger briefly, and then let it go, this is the best scenario. We can not realistically expect to avoid, or not experience Anger, but we can choose to allow it to move through, and dissipate, rather than allowing it to eat away at our insides.
 
 
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I believe that Anger, is an emotion that is very base in nature, and contains a lot of blocked energy. If this energy can be directed in a positive fashion, it can be useful, as Alan describes.

However, Anger can be the most destructive of emotions to the person experiencing it, especially if it is allowed to linger, is blocked or repressed. It can lead to all sorts of physical problems, and is just not good for long term physical or psychological health.

If it is possible to experience Anger briefly, and then let it go, this is the best scenario. We can not realistically expect to avoid, or not experience Anger, but we can choose to allow it to move through, and dissipate, rather than allowing it to eat away at our insides.
Hi Free,

You make some good points about anger. It's best not to let it fester.

When we are aware of it, we need to analyze what caused the anger, what the source of it is, and then act positively to remedy the situation that brings us into the angry state. If we let it overwhelm us, it can defeat us.

There is a reason boxers often taunt their opponents and make them angry. They hope to be able to make their opponent react from a flash of anger rather than a flash of strategy.


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Hey Guys,

This is an interesting one that I had not previously heard about. I think the reason that it may not have been publicized in the media is for the same reason that the specific crimes committed by serial killers is not allowed to be revealed in the press. In essence, it's because some kook might read about it and feel inspired to do the same thing. And no, I'm not joking.

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Alan, You have covered a lot of ground there so let me try to answer some of your questions. Intelligence is a broad subject that covers many areas and is as old as mankind and as basic as human nature. Everybody in international politics does it and friends spy on friends as well as potential enemies. All intelligence activity is highly compartmentalized and I was at a low "special agent" level. Never the less the training and the experiences were not only interesting and exciting,but one of the highlights of my life and taught me to look at history and current events in a totally new way. I saw nothing during my service in the Intelligence Corp that went against American values.

Regarding your first comment, I would agree that the news media goes with what is "hot "and what will attract eyeballs in a very competitve industry. My experince was that local terrorists did not have anywhere near the resources or coordinated planning behind them that the Communists did at that time or that the international terrorists do today.

The activites that I was familiar with were evenly divided between groups on both ends of the political spectrum.

All of my knowledge of J.Edgar Hoover comes largely from the media and personal reading and not from any personal experiences. He was very aggressive ,but that was a time of great national fear of the Communists and various local groups that might join with them. He was no more obsessed than Jack and Bobby Kennedy were with Fidel Castro and there has been a lot of speculation by knowlegable sources that obsession may have either directly or indirectly lead to Jack Kennedy's assassination including the history channel's production of "The Men Who Killed Kennedy."

The women who follow men who join extreme causes whether left or right , like the men themselves, in my experience tend to very angry and have a strong degree of paranoia. Some of the women tend to like "bad boys" and find them exciting the same as women who fall in love with serial killers. As Oprah has pointed out over the last few days in the Chris Brown -Rhianna situation -there are women who will seek out men who will abuse them and keep going back to them inspite of the abuse. There are also abuse seeking and victim type personalities that we run into thoughout life.

Anger directed against unjust situations with a desire to change them I view as a productive anger.

Intelligence is part of life and neither you or I are going to change it. Some one said that as long as you have aggressive power seeking personalities that make it to the top of governments you are going to have intelligence. This is true even with those who deceptively play a passive,underdog role.I don't see that change happening in the near future. Donald Trump in a somewhat self aggrandizing statement said"New York real estate developers are the smartest and most ruthless men in the world," but he didn't have a clue.

Obsessive anger regardless of the source which is directed against a special group [ such as women or a minority] is wrong whether it is sanctioned by a state or a religion.

Life is not fair and the world is not always just and those are all situations that we have to live with and do our best in our own small way to change them.

As Helen Keller said,"Life is a daring adventure or nothing at all. Gordon
 
 
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