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03-11-2009, 05:55 PM
 
Alan the local press sensored that a man in the next large City where a Muslim Immirgrant was angry at his wife and he decapitated her rather than be divoriced by her. The news being censored again. I've read that Tim McVeigh might have been a Muslim and had a Muslim Connection, and O'Reilly had several guests that thought McVeigh and Terry Nichols had a Al Qeada Connection. http://www.jaynadavis.com/highlights.html

As a kid I thought it was common for the FBI to film weddings and funerals as they photographed Americans of Sicilian and Southern Italian decent at social gatherings. So Big Brother has a wider reach than people think.
 
 
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Alan the local press sensored that a man in the next large City where a Muslim Immirgrant was angry at his wife and he decapitated her rather than be divoriced by her. The news being censored again. I've read that Tim McVeigh might have been a Muslim and had a Muslim Connection, and O'Reilly had several guests that thought McVeigh and Terry Nichols had a Al Qeada Connection. http://www.jaynadavis.com/highlights.html

As a kid I thought it was common for the FBI to film weddings and funerals as they photographed Americans of Sicilian and Southern Italian decent at social gatherings. So Big Brother has a wider reach than people think.
Heck MikeNY,

I didn't know that story was censored. I first read about it in this article in the left-liberal Raw Story website.

The left-liberal Huffington Post carried more than a few articles covering this murder. For example, one entitled Muzzammil Hassan: Muslim TV Exec Accused Of Beheading Wife In NY May Have Committed "Honor Killing" carried a pretty damning description of this crime, practically accusing the husband of doing it.

Also on the Huffington Post, a Muslim woman covers this story with an editorial comment titled "Honor Killing" and Islam.

I also see that MSNBC carried the story in an article titled Man arrested in wife’s beheading and the Rochester Democrat and Chronical carried an article called "Violence against women is a form of hate crime," which features this story.

So I must respectfully disagree with you that there has been anywhere near the degree of censorship over this story as one finds in the white-nationalist Nazi sympathizer wanna-be nuclear terrorist.

The last article that I cited discusses a battered women's counselor's thoughts:

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Domestic violence is about control, she said, and there are many reasons victims stay with abusers: religion, children, or excuses that seem to make sense....."You will be affected by this issue regardless of who you are," Mazzotta said. "The highest risk factor for being affected by domestic violence is that you're female."


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03-11-2009, 07:39 PM
 
Maybe the simplest explanation of why the story wasn't carried in the press was because the crime was a spousal murder of which there are many. The man may have been a kook and a Nazi sympathiser and may have had all kinds of fantasies and plans,but he had not carried any of them out. The wife was the one who committed the murder and it is not unusual for people who commit crimes and particularly murders to come up with all kinds to cover stories and ways to blame others. She should have reported a potential threat to the police or the FBI. An insanity defense is hard to prove which may be an indication that her attorney doesn't think he can defend her on anyother basis.
 
 
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Gordon I have got to agree with Alan, from the information reported in that blog and viedo etc it appears clear the guy was getting ready for something. Depleted uranium and chemical does sound bad, just for the information providered something was amiss. This guy was up to something.

Alan maybe my edition of the newspaper was printed before the story broke, it wasn't in the morning edition I got but my paper is delivered very early. Possibly later editions broke the news, I saw it online or would not have known.
 
 
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Maybe the simplest explanation of why the story wasn't carried in the press was because the crime was a spousal murder of which there are many.
Certainly that may be one possible reason why this story was not covered more extensively.

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The man may have been a kook and a Nazi sympathiser and may have had all kinds of fantasies and plans,but he had not carried any of them out.
To me, it seems much more likely than not that he was not only a kook and a Nazi sympathizer, but he was also an extremely dangerous man, close to carrying out a spectacular terrorist attack in the Timothy McVeigh vein.

By all accounts, this obviously deranged Nazi wannabe had a long history of bullying, violence, and lots of money. He did acquire material sufficient to make a dirty bomb. That's probably something that you or I would have trouble acquiring.

After all, Jose Padilla, an American citizen of Latin heritage, dark-brown skin, who coincidentally is a convert to Islam, was rounded up on the streets of Chicago, held in military prison for 3-1/2 years without charge or access to a court, because President Bush personally decided he was an "enemy combatant," based on the intelligence services allegations that Mr. Padilla was plotting to set off just such a radioctive bomb.

Then, after years of holding him, the Bush administration dropped those charges for lack of evidence. Instead, they tried Mr. Padilla in a civilian court.

This whole story, especially at the beginning, but really for months and even years, was big headline news.

But then a white, European-American with presumably a Christian background actually acquires the material for such a nuclear terror weapon, a man with a history of disturbed and violent behavior. Yet somehow, the mainstream media by and large apparently decide that's not worthy of coverage, not of interest to the American public.

Why in heck not?

That's what I want to know!

I don't think some "gummint" bigwigs ordered the press not to run with this. Rather, this seems to be more a case of self-censorship for reasons I stated in a previous post, having more to do with crassness, pandering to prejudices, and currying favor with certain powerful economic and political interests.

Nevertheless, facts are facts, and unlike Mr. al-Muhajir (Mr. Padilla's new name), Mr James G. Cummings actually acquired the materials to make a radioactive terrorist weapon, actually bragged rather carelessly about using it, and actually said his motivation was a racist one, owing to the election of Barak Obama.

But it seems that an actual white-American terrorist who is provably engaged in a terrorist plot, who actually possesses weapons-grade radiation bomb-making materials is not as newsworthy as a dark-brown Muslim malcontent, who an anonymous "informant" alleges has a similar plan. Bear in mind that this speculation later abandoned by its proponents in the "intelligence community," and Mr. Padilla was charged with a crime unrelated to his preventive detention.

Now doesn't that kind of contradict all that politically-correct codswollop about the mainstream media being mired in a "liberal bias"?




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.....The wife was the one who committed the murder and it is not unusual for people who commit crimes and particularly murders to come up with all kinds to cover stories and ways to blame others.......An insanity defense is hard to prove which may be an indication that her attorney doesn't think he can defend her on anyother basis.
Well, that seems to be exactly the case to me. My guess is that she murdered Mr. Cummings because she snapped after years of sexual, mental, and physical abuse. This illustrates exactly Free's point about the damage repressed rage can cause when it explodes.

So I think you're probably right, here. If the defense could argue that Mrs. Cummings was attempting to prevent a terrorist attack, they certainly would not rely on an insanity plea. The true motive is probably much less noble and much more human.


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03-11-2009, 10:52 PM
 
Alan, We probably will never know. My interest in "complex strategies" is still alive and I like to watch "Forensic Files" on True TV. It never ceases to amaze me the number of different types of plots that people come up. There are several spousal murders featured on the program per week. Gordon
 
 
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Alan I think you have errored on two points, wealth transcends race in the USA. Your thinking that the white National Socialist Neo-Nazi type was given a pass by the press due to race; before he is white, he is rich. Yeah sounds from the information like he was planning something, you and free might be on the right track an abused wife strikes back. This guy used his resources to possibly beat the Courts, relocating to the East Coast to stay with his abused wife. If Madoff wasn't a rich Democrat you think he'd out on Bail? How many poor Democrats that scam people get bailed out of the Tombs. There is Institutional Racism in the USA; we call it Affirmative Action; equal protection under Law doesn't exist in the USA.

The second point is the liberal Press, of course there is a Liberal Bias in the Media, they admit it. It is like saying Fox doesn't tilt to the right slightly, everyone knows it does, just as we all know the Media fell over into the arms of Left long ago. The Media looks a lot like a Political groupie whore for Obama, even Democrats think it acted like a slut for Obama and an attack dog to Hillary in the campaign, remember Saturday Night Live.
 
 
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Alan I think you have errored on two points, wealth transcends race in the USA.
It appears that I did not express myself clearly because I did not mean to imply that race transcends wealth in the USA.

It's an American dogma that we are a classless society. Everybody is "middle class," from the corporate CEO making 3 million a year to the sanitation worker making $15 an hour.

To deny this conventional wisdom is politically incorrect heresy. Such heretics get slammed for promoting "class warfare."

But is it really promoting class warfare to note that class struggle always has been a fact of America, or is it just being realistic.

Consider this: For capitalism to exist, there needs to be the wage earning class (the great majority) and the tiny capitalist class. The various factions among capitalists vie for political leverage through their two political parties, the Republicans and the Democrats.

To the extent that the wage-earner class and the capitalist class have competing interests, there is class conflict, sometimes more acute, sometimes not so obvious, but always present.

Of course,we have other socioeconomic classes, such as small business owners, small farmers, independent professionals such as lawyers, doctors, personal trainers, independent artisans, the unemployed, etc, as well as a small percentage of persons who do not neatly fit into any class at all.

But political power rests with the corporate elite through their political representatives, while the wage earners have no political party and no political power as a class.

Alan OldStudent's Golden Rule explains this:
He who has the gold makes the rules.

Historically, race discrimination and racism have propped up the status quo and even spurred the development of early American capitalism. During most of the 19th century, chattel slavery in great part built America's wealth and infrastructure.. The American Civil War of 1861-1865 overthrew the rule of the slavocracy and saw the political rise of northern finance, corporations, and industry.

Then, in the last decades of the 19th century and the last two-thirds of the 20th century, the old-south Jim Crow laws and more informal northern segregation helped maintain the political status quo.

The truth is, if equality were as profitable as racism, we would have racial harmony today.
Instead, we have racism's remnants, although overt expressions of racism have become somewhat unfashionable in polite society lately.

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MikeNY, you say affirmative action is racist. For reasons which I will not go into here, I respectfully disagree. Perhaps at another time, I'll have the privilege of discussing that topic with you. I fear I am becoming too long-winded and perhaps tiresome.



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Your thinking that the white National Socialist Neo-Nazi type was given a pass by the press due to race; before he is white, he is rich.
MikeNY, I did not say the press gave Mr. Cummings a pass because he is white. Instead, I asked these questions:

What role did race have in the mainstream media's decision to treat this story as being trivial and meaningless?

Why did the press not consider Mr. Cummings to be newsworthy but Mr. Padilla to be a big story in the so-called “war on terror?” Mr. Cummings actually planned a major terrorist radioactive bomb attack of historic magnitude and scope. But the media ignored this story.

On the other hand, the mainstream media uncritically slavered over the Bush administration's since-abandoned dirty-bomb accusation against Mr. Padilla, abandoned owing to lack of evidence.

I don't have the answers. Do you?

Mr. Cummings was a European-American, undoubtedly of Christian background, and Mr. Padilla was a black Latin man of the Islamic faith. Don't you wonder what part race and religion played in the media coverage? I do.

Could it possibly be that Mr. Cummings' story distracted attention from the Bush administration's justification of its war-on terror and the danger of Londonistan?

And here is a followup question for you: How does the neglect of this story jibe with your theory that a coven of biased flaming liberals control the media? Wouldn't that be red meat for the libs?

Why the silence on the part of those Bolshie elitist pencil necks and liberal weenies in the nation's editorial offices?

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Yeah sounds from the information like he was planning something...
MikeNY, don't trivialize this.

Mr Cummings planned the terrorist murder of tens of thousands of people at a United States presidential inauguration, because he did not like a black man winning the election!

How could anyone be blasé as our press seems to have been?

According to the Wikileaks article:

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[the FBI investigative report] says that four 1-gallon containers of 35 percent hydrogen peroxide, uranium, thorium, lithium metal, thermite, aluminum powder, beryllium, boron, black iron oxide and magnesium ribbon were found in the home.

Also found was literature on how to build “dirty bombs” and information about cesium-137, strontium-90 and cobalt-60, radioactive materials. The FBI report also stated there was evidence linking James Cummings to white supremacist groups.....She [Amber Cummings, his wife] also said that Cummings was “very upset” when Barack Obama was elected president.

A “dirty bomb” is a type of “radiological dispersal device” that combines a conventional explosive such as dynamite with radioactive material, according to the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission’s Web site....The report noted that “uranium, thorium, cesium-137, stontium-90 and cobalt-60 are radioactive isotopes and 35 percent hydrogen peroxide is a necessary precursor for the manufacture of peroxide-based explosives. Lithium metal, thermite and aluminum are materials used to sensitize and amplify the effects of explosives.”
MikeNY, as a law enforcement officer, surely you do see this as a big deal, don't you?



Mr. Cummings, an ardent admirer of Hitler, applied to join the National Socialist Movement (NSM), an American Nazi group, just before Amber murdered him.


Here's some of what the National Socialist Movement says on its website:

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National Socialism deplores the reversal of human evolution being accelerated by welfare-ism, brotherhood-ism, race-mixing and the unlimited breeding of the inferior races and individuals while the superior limit themselves to few offspring or none......
This is the old "the Negroes" or "the Mexicans" or in past times "the Irish" are out-breeding us (white European Americans) and we ought to do something about it. It's easy to see folks like that wanting to see Obama dead.

I'm sure you see this view as being un-American, right?

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To accomplish these utterly fundamental and vital aims, National Socialism declares its goal to be nothing less than the absolute domination of the white, civilized areas of the earth by the Aryan white man and the leadership of the Aryan white man by the strongest and wisest individuals of the race rather than the largest number of weaklings, mediocrity's and selfish private interests........
Guys with radiation bombs with these views in the nation's capital with terrorist intent should scare the heck out of all right-thinking Americans, right?
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Finally, we declare our intention of exiling all individuals, OF WHATEVER RACE, who are guilty of organizing, planning, or carrying out the criminal Communist conspiracy and mutiny against humanity and the laws of nature. We recognize a great proportion of Jews have been, and are the leaders of this criminal Bolshevik mutiny and conspiracy against the race of humanity and will not shrink from the task of utterly destroying such poisonous human bacteria.
Destroying "such poisonous human bacteria"!

Fair disclosure:
As a mixed-race American with leftist views, I'd be one of those "poisonous human bacteria" marked for "extermination." Excuse the personal aside, but that stuff both frightens and enrages me. No doubt, these people also view Obama as a human bacterium. Despite the wide political differences I have with Obama, we apparently would be gas-chamber mates.



MikeNY, don't you think a story about a Nazi terrorist assembling a radiation bomb, plotting a terrorist attack at a rally of 2 million in the nation's capital should be front and center?

And just why do you think this story has been neglected? Race? Money? National security? Incompetence?

As I said, I don't have the answers myself, but I sure have some questions.

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03-14-2009, 08:28 AM
 
Wow Alan!!

I will try to address some of this gingerly, as I can see now where your emotional investment is.

First, this story could very well be manufactured, or at least embellished by the killer wife. So, we really don't know if any of this is true, and since he is dead, he has no way of defending himself. I strongly suspect that there is a little truth in this, but the Wife created a dramatic story out of it to compensate for her crime. One has to ask, why didn't she just walk away, and inform the police of his actions?

Secondly, I completely disagree that only the successful have a political party, and representatives in Washington. If that were the case, we would not have the progressive tax system, welfare, Barney, Nancy, and most of the Democratic party. Obama would not have been elected on the promise of re-distributing wealth, and other class warfare pledges. If anything, as you have pointed out in some of your other posts, the tide has turned, and it is highly unpopular to be sucsessful in this country, and the trend is towards forced financial equality and mediocraty.

I really wanted to stay out of this, but you have made it so difficult to ignore!!
 
 
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Hi Free,

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I will try to address some of this gingerly, as I can see now where your emotional investment is.
Free, the entire tone of your post is entirely civil. Like you, I hope my response is not inflammatory.

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First, this story could very well be manufactured, or at least embellished by the killer wife.
According to the wife, Amber Cummings, she suffered years of sexual, physical, and mental abuse.

I think Amber's story of abuse may well be true, and if so, that might have much to do with her unquestioned murder of Mr. Cummings.

I don't believe Mr. Cummings' politics or plotting had anything to do why Amber murdered him. She does not appear to claim his terrorist activities or pro-Nazi leanings had anything to do with it.

You speculate she could have embellished her account of Mr Cummings' personality and activities. Of course she could have. She doesn't sound too stable to me. Years of abuse is bad for one's mental health.

You also speculate that she may have just manufactured this connection between Mr. Cummings and a terrorist plot.

Not according to official investigative reports. The FBI and police say they found bomb-making materials, had evidence of the plot, Mr. Cummings pro-Hitler and pro-Nazi views, his application for membership in in the National Socialist Movement (NSM).

You can read about it on page 11 of this PDF of the official FBI investigative report. Here are a few sentences from this report.

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9 December 2008 Discovery of Radiological Dispersal Device
Components, Literature, and Radioactive Material at the Maine Residence of an Identified Deceased US Person
On 9 December 2008, radiological dispersal device components and literature, and radioactive materials, were discovered at the Maine residence of an identified deceased USPER James Cummings. Cummings had possible ties to white supremacist groups.
On 9 December 2008, four one-gallon containers of 35 percent hydrogen peroxide, lithium metal, thermite, aluminum powder, beryllium, boron, black iron oxide, and magnesium ribbon were discovered at the Cummings' residence. (FBI comments: Literature on constructing 'dirty bombs'; information referring to cesium-137, strontium-90, and cobalt-60; and possible evidence linking James ((Cummings)) to white supremacist groups were also discovered.)
Moreover, the Security Management's web site, which is sponsored by ASIS International, gives credence to the account in this article. One would be hard pressed to show that ASIS International (the ASIS stands for American Society for Industrial Security) is some kind of liberal advocacy group.



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Secondly, I completely disagree that only the successful have a political party, and representatives in Washington. If that were the case, we would not have the progressive tax system, welfare, Barney, Nancy, and most of the Democratic party.
True, Free. We disagree on the nature of the Democratic Party.

I do not think that the Democratic Party is a party that represents the interests of the wage-working class, the unemployed, minorities, etc.

Rather, the Democratic Party represents the political coalition of several sections or factions of our corporate rulers, and they don't always rest to easily with each other, either.

It is true that many people, including many minorities and wage workers, believe the Democrats when they claim they put our interests first.

But really, we are not their main constituency. Their main concern right now is to ensure the survival of the rule of the corporations, the survival of capitalism, and the world-wide market. People like you debate the wisdom of their means to accomplish this.

But to assume those who support a more interventionist approach to market capitalism than you do are its enemies is perhaps, with all due respect to you personally, simplistic. The real world is usually much more complex than an simple theoretical schema, no matter how elegant. Such schemas really are doctrinaire and dogmatic, not based on reality.

However, I do agree with you that the Democrats support income redistribution.

They want to take money wage earners pay in taxes and give it to the same corporate rulers, like AIG and Bank of America, who 1 year ago were saying that government spending is the problem. That type of income redistribution, taking money from wage-workers to give to capitalists, is reprehensible, but it's not socialism.

That, my friend, is capitalist income redistribution.

Right today, there is a big story in the Washington Post about how AIG is paying millions in bonuses to their top management despite having received billions in bailout funds. And the AIG management have the audacity to defend this. Their excuse? They need to honor their contracts with these valuable executives or they might lose them to "the competition," as if the competition wants to hire the people who ran AIG into the ground. These corporate rulers think we're stupid enough to buy that, or they hope the Democratic Party will sugar-coat it enough to ram it down our throats.

The Democrats and liberal politicians will whine, cry, and wring their hands over this mean bit of political theater. Nevertheless, pretty soon they'll be telling us wage-earners (their purported constituancy) that "we" need to fork over more money to the plutocratic rulers in order to avoid even more pain.



Free, not all supporters of capitalism think that the laizzes faire approach you seem to favor is the one true way to success of capitalism. And not all those who favor some kind of controls are the enemy of capitalism. When one looks at how the Democratic Party is trying to bail out capitalists and recue the market, it's not easy to say this provides proof that they're a bunch of subversives.

The Financial Times of London, hardly a bastion of Bolshevism or even socialism, ran an editorial called "Seeds Of Its Own Destruction".

You should check that editorial out, Free. Financial Times of London are also running a series of articles called The Future Of Capitalism. Clicking the above link will take you to the gateway page of this very pro-capitalist and scholarly website for these articles.

Forgive the length of my quotes, but in the above-cited editorial, Seeds Of Its Own Destruction, one may find the following comments, which I think illustrate the capitalist conundrum from the point of view of actual practicing capitalists:

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Another ideological god has failed. The assumptions that ruled policy and politics over three decades suddenly look as outdated as revolutionary socialism.

“The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” Thus quipped Ronald Reagan, hero of US conservatism. The remark seems ancient history now that governments are pouring trillions of dollars, euros and pounds into financial systems.

“Governments bad; deregulated markets good”: how can this faith escape unscathed after Alan Greenspan, pupil of Ayn Rand and predominant central banker of the era, described himself, in congressional testimony last October, as being “in a state of shocked disbelief” over the failure of the “self-interest of lending institutions to protect shareholders’ equity”?

In the west, the pro-market ideology of the past three decades was a reaction to the perceived failure of the mixed-economy, Keynesian model of the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s. The move to the market was associated with the election of Reagan as US president in 1980 and the ascent to the British prime ministership of Margaret Thatcher the year before. Little less important was the role of Paul Volcker, then chairman of the Federal Reserve, in crushing inflation.

Yet bigger events shaped this epoch: the shift of China from the plan to the market under Deng Xiaoping, the collapse of Soviet communism between 1989 and 1991 and the end of India’s inward-looking economic policies after 1991. The death of central planning, the end of the cold war and, above all, the entry of billions of new participants into the rapidly globalising world economy were the high points of this era.

Today, with a huge global financial crisis and a synchronised slump in economic activity, the world is changing again. The financial system is the brain of the market economy. If it needs so expensive a rescue, what is left of Reagan’s dismissal of governments? If the financial system has failed, what remains of confidence in markets?
My Brother Free, thanks for your respectful post. I hope I have provided another way of looking at this earth-shaking crisis.

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